Visiting a Homeopath

[Necuno]

any tool can tell you to change your diet to help with heartburn.

O'rly? All those obese tools hey :erm:

 

[Hosehead]

Homeopaths make a lot of sense when normal medicine simply has no affect...(effect??) Things like the effect of acidic foods on the body is not covered by conventional medicine for example. Eating right has a lot more affect than medicine IMO for a number of conditions. Why take antiacids for example if you should really be doing some exercise, giving up wheat, and losing weight?

Look if you ate a KFC double trouble or whatever the heck its called every day like some of the hungry people here you'd be down on your knees thanking Sweet Jesus for those anti acids with tears streaming down your shirt.

 

[porchrat]

You are simply wrong Swa. This idea of 'like cures like' was around long before the invention of homeopathy, and exists in many cultures and in many forms which do not resemble homeopathy in any way.

Homeopathy, on the other hand, was created in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann, and although based on similia similibus curentur ("like cures like"), homeopathic remedies are prepared by repeatedly diluting a chosen substance in alcohol or distilled water, followed by forceful striking on an elastic body, called succussion. Each dilution followed by succussion is said to increase the remedy's potency. Dilution usually continues well past the point where none of the original substance remains. This is what differentiates homeopathy from other systems based on 'like cures like'.

Hahnemann (who created the term homeopathy) believed that large doses of drugs that caused similar symptoms would only aggravate illness, so he advocated extreme dilutions of the substances; he devised a technique for making dilutions that he believed would preserve a substance's therapeutic properties while removing its harmful effects. Hahnemann believed that this process aroused and enhanced "the spirit-like medicinal powers of the crude substances". He gathered and published a complete overview of his new medical system in his 1810 book, The Organon of the Healing Art, whose 6th edition, published in 1921, is still used by homeopaths today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

LOL Swa won't listen to that. Everbody knows Wikipedia is biased propaganda

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

O'rly? All those obese tools hey :erm:

Any tool with a cellphone: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+reduce+heartburn

 

[Necuno]

Any tool with a cellphone: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+reduce+heartburn

I see. Now its not just a tool, but a tool with a cellphone :erm:

 

[zaidjoulay]

Homeopathy is 'rubbish', says chief medical officer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...hy-is-rubbish-says-chief-medical-officer.html

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

I see. Now its not just a tool, but a tool with a cellphone :erm:

You're losing me. Are you trolling me or being serious?

 

[porchrat]

Homeopathy is 'rubbish', says chief medical officer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...hy-is-rubbish-says-chief-medical-officer.html

Also biased propaganda duh.

You guys are such sheeple drinking the Kool-Aid of Big Pharma. Swa isn't fooled.

 

[DJ...]

Yeah DJ, ... blinkers off yet he'll gobble the Crap the Psychiatrists throw at him no? DJ If A Psych offered you electroshock therapy (or maybe you've had it ) would you take it.? Or do you agree its a quack therapy.

Your false dichotomies are plain for all to see. Since when do I take psychiatry at face value? I certainly don't...

Do you ever say no to the pills thrown at you by these wicked wicked people that the Scientologists own Citizens Commission on Human Rights try to stop:erm:

Perhaps when you get around to translating this into English I can get around to answering it. Scientology is dangerous quackery in absolutely all forms though, if that's what you're getting at. I'm one of the forum's more vocal opponents of it...

 

[DJ...]

Homeopaths make a lot of sense when normal medicine simply has no affect...(effect??)

What a crock of schit. Please list the specific pathologies for which established medicine is ineffective...

Things like the effect of acidic foods on the body is not covered by conventional medicine for example.

Fscking hell - yes, it does. What kind of reading material exists in this nuclear bunker you've been under all of your life?

Eating right has a lot more affect than medicine IMO for a number of conditions.

Please list the specific pathologies for which diet is a cure, and please back this up with your research...

Why take antiacids for example if you should really be doing some exercise, giving up wheat, and losing weight?

Because acid reflux does not have just a single cause, nor does it affect only the obese. Nor is wheat the primary contributive factor. Additionally, acid reflux can be a symptom of a larger, more serious illness. These are things that people trained in actual medicine understand. Your bullschit, hippie, drum-circle cures will get a person killed. Kids are especially at risk to you lot...

 

[Slootvreter]

O'rly? All those obese tools hey :erm:

Yes, even obese tools can, problem is that it's simply not that easy to change eating habits.

 

[Swa]

You are simply wrong Swa. This idea of 'like cures like' was around long before the invention of homeopathy, and exists in many cultures and in many forms which do not resemble homeopathy in any way.

Homeopathy, on the other hand, was created in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann, and although based on similia similibus curentur ("like cures like"), homeopathic remedies are prepared by repeatedly diluting a chosen substance in alcohol or distilled water, followed by forceful striking on an elastic body, called succussion. Each dilution followed by succussion is said to increase the remedy's potency. Dilution usually continues well past the point where none of the original substance remains. This is what differentiates homeopathy from other systems based on 'like cures like'.

Hahnemann (who created the term homeopathy) believed that large doses of drugs that caused similar symptoms would only aggravate illness, so he advocated extreme dilutions of the substances; he devised a technique for making dilutions that he believed would preserve a substance's therapeutic properties while removing its harmful effects. Hahnemann believed that this process aroused and enhanced "the spirit-like medicinal powers of the crude substances". He gathered and published a complete overview of his new medical system in his 1810 book, The Organon of the Healing Art, whose 6th edition, published in 1921, is still used by homeopaths today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

Sure it was "around", why shouldn't it have been? Why wasn't it in common use then? If we use this logic then "modern" medicine has also been around for millennia. Hahnemann was right but he could also have been wrong. Large quantities of a toxic substance will have a bad effect or even kill. Dilution to the point where these effects no longer occur is thus a practical means of preparation. Where he could have been right or wrong is in his explanation but I would say the body's reaction to a substance has the most to do with how and why it works. As I said earlier I was treated by one as a child and his stuff did far more good than the Big Pharma approach.

Everbody knows Wikipedia is biased propaganda

So you admit it

 

[porchrat]

Homeopaths make a lot of sense when normal medicine simply has no affect...(effect??)

That isn't logical so not really no. Schit is schit regardless of whether actual working medicine is in place to deal with a specific condition. That there isn't a single all-encompassing cure for cancer at this point doens't suddenly validate something like crystal therapy as a valid cure for cancer.

Things like the effect of acidic foods on the body is not covered by conventional medicine for example. Eating right has a lot more affect than medicine IMO for a number of conditions. Why take antiacids for example if you should really be doing some exercise, giving up wheat, and losing weight?

LOL you sound like an alkaline diet advocate. That is a pile of dingo excrement as well I'm afraid. No medical basis to it whatsoever.

 

[porchrat]

This message is hidden because Swa is on your ignore list.

Yes I agree Swa, your position is a ridiculous one stemming from unreliable anecdotal garbage that ignore the countless studies performed on homoeopathy demonstrating a total lack of efficacy along with a tremendous ignorance of what homoeopathy actually is.

Well said. I'm glad you have finally come around. You are a far nicer person to converse with when you are on ignore and I can imagine you have finally said something of worth

 

[Necuno]

Yes I agree Swa, your position is a ridiculous one stemming from unreliable anecdotal garbage that ignore the countless studies performed on homoeopathy demonstrating a total lack of efficacy along with a tremendous ignorance of what homoeopathy actually is.

Well said. I'm glad you have finally come around. You are a far nicer person to converse with when you are on ignore and I can imagine you have finally said something of worth

Human race is doomed. What happened to being able to do things without hand holding ignoring functionality

 

[porchrat]

Human race is doomed. What happened to being able to do things without hand holding ignoring functionality

Yes the human race is doomed because we have created software that helps to reduce clutter by drastically shortening the usually long rambling posts of individuals whose posts we don't want to read.

What happened to being able to kill your own food without all this meat supply chain and supermarket hand holding?

If you want to manually have to scroll past endless posts made by people you don't like instead of using modern technology to move things along faster that is your business. I wouldn't brag about it though as it doesn't seem particularly smart. :erm:

 

[Necuno]

What happened to being able to kill your own food without all this meat supply chain and supermarket hand holding?

That would be ****ing awesome... LOL.

Yes the human race is doomed because we have created software that helps to reduce clutter by drastically shortening the usually long rambling posts of individuals whose posts we don't want to read.

If you want to manually have to scroll past endless posts made by people you don't like instead of using modern technology to move things along faster that is your business. I wouldn't brag about it though as it doesn't seem particularly smart. :erm:

If you can't help yourself not wanting to respond then I guess scripts help

 

[Swa]

LOL you sound like an alkaline diet advocate. That is a pile of dingo excrement as well I'm afraid. No medical basis to it whatsoever.

Actually there is a lot of medical evidence. People with gout and arthritis have worse symptoms for acidic foods.

Yes I agree Swa, your position is a ridiculous one stemming from unreliable anecdotal garbage that ignore the countless studies performed on homoeopathy demonstrating a total lack of efficacy along with a tremendous ignorance of what homoeopathy actually is.

Well said. I'm glad you have finally come around. You are a far nicer person to converse with when you are on ignore and I can imagine you have finally said something of worth

Countless studies? Are you kidding? Big Pharma has no reason to do studies on something they can't patent to make money from. I would like Big Pharma to be held to the strict unattainable standards the few studies of homeopathy were done on while subjecting homeopathy to their biased studies "showing" the "efficacy" and "safety" on their drugs. Yes continue to ignore everything you don't agree with like you do with everything in life. You really make yourself look like an idiot replying to something you don't even see.

 

[Swa]

If you can't help yourself not wanting to respond then I guess scripts help

Still not working. He missed the purpose of ignore is to not respond as well.

 

[porchrat]

That would be ****ing awesome... LOL.

Well by your logic it is what you should be doing since convenience created by modern technology seems to be something you frown upon. Stop being a hypocrite and go kill your own food, build your own car (not with metal produced by someone else either mind you... you need to get that ore out of the ground, refine, smelt it etc. all yourself... I mean what happened to doing that all without all this hand holding)

Ridiculous stance is ridiculous.

If you can't help yourself not wanting to respond then I guess scripts help

You realise I didn't really respond right? That I have absolutely no idea what the guy said and I like it that way right?

I thought that was made crystal clear by the fact that I pointed out that I was just imagining that he said something constructive and worthwhile. Apparently for some that is too subtle. Should I perhaps next time explain all that in giant red all caps font to make it easier to spot?