Visiting a Homeopath

[dd1313]

Hi GUys

Any visit a Homeopath ?
Intested in knowing what ailments they had and the results of treatment

Thanks
DD

 

[OrbitalDawn]

It's a crock of ****. Go to an actual doctor, not some quack that wants to feed you weeds to cure cancer.

 

[IzZzy]

You can pay me R350 and I will issue you with water too.

 

[Slootvreter]

You will pay roughly the same consulation fee as for a regular doctor, and he will 'prescribe' you a lot of A.Vogel or similar products which have no effect.

EDIT: Most likely the alkaline solution powder or something, and that ****'s expensive!

 

[HapticSimian]

Do it yourself. Just take some tap water - given its trace impurities and the principles of homoeopathy that should give you a miracle cure-all - put it in an sturdy container, and then whack said container against a wooden board covered in leather and stuffed with horse hair 10 times. Don't neglect that bit, 'cause that's what makes homoeopathic remedies so potent. Hitting the container against a board. Covered in leather. Stuffed with horse hair. Ten times.



Or... go to an actual doctor.

 

[Ykv]

You can pay me R350 and I will issue you with water too.

I'll do it for R200.

 

[IzZzy]

I'll do it for R200.

Oi! R150.. final offer

 

[GreyBush]

Was sent there as a kid, for dust allergies... not sure if they cured it, if I had dust allergies or if I just had sinus... they gave me little pills with dust in them or something, or it could have been alcohol drops with dust molecules in... vaguely remember those too.

There is a machine which you hold a handle, they drop vials of different allergens into the machine and you "rev" when you're allergic.

As a kid I was like **** yeah this is some fancy science, now I reckon its a crock.

 

[BCO]

Hi GUys

Any visit a Homeopath ?
Intested in knowing what ailments they had and the results of treatment

Thanks
DD

Don't waste your time. Homeopathy is pure bull****.

 

[HapticSimian]

... now I reckon its a crock.

You're right; stop being 'not sure'.

 

[DJ...]

They are scam artists. Nothing more and nothing less.

Homeopathy is one of the most pervasive and widespread scams in the world today. Here is one such evolutionary platypus(s) trying to explain how and why it works:

[video=youtube;R_y4-z-kDqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_y4-z-kDqQ[/video]

And here is why it is a scam:

Homeopathic products are made from minerals, botanical substances, and several other sources. If the original substance is soluble, one part is diluted with either nine or ninety-nine parts of distilled water and/or alcohol and shaken vigorously (succussed); if insoluble, it is finely ground and pulverized in similar proportions with powdered lactose (milk sugar). One part of the diluted medicine is then further diluted, and the process is repeated until the desired concentration is reached. Dilutions of 1 to 10 are designated by the Roman numeral X (1X = 1/10, 3X = 1/1,000, 6X = 1/1,000,000). Similarly, dilutions of 1 to 100 are designated by the Roman numeral C (1C = 1/100, 3C = 1/1,000,000, and so on). Most remedies today range from 6X to 30X, but products of 30C or more are marketed.

A 30X dilution means that the original substance has been diluted 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times. Assuming that a cubic centimeter of water contains 15 drops, this number is greater than the number of drops of water that would fill a container more than 50 times the size of the Earth. Imagine placing a drop of red dye into such a container so that it disperses evenly. Homeopathy's "law of infinitesimals" is the equivalent of saying that any drop of water subsequently removed from that container will possess an essence of redness. Robert L. Park, Ph.D., a prominent physicist who is executive director of The American Physical Society, has noted that since the least amount of a substance in a solution is one molecule, a 30C solution would have to have at least one molecule of the original substance dissolved in a minimum of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of water. This would require a container more than 30,000,000,000 times the size of the Earth.

Oscillococcinum, a 200C product "for the relief of colds and flu-like symptoms," involves "dilutions" that are even more far-fetched. Its "active ingredient" is prepared by incubating small amounts of a freshly killed duck's liver and heart for 40 days. The resultant solution is then filtered, freeze-dried, rehydrated, repeatedly diluted, and impregnated into sugar granules. If a single molecule of the duck's heart or liver were to survive the dilution, its concentration would be 1 in 100200. This huge number, which has 400 zeroes, is vastly greater than the estimated number of molecules in the universe (about one googol, which is a 1 followed by 100 zeroes). In its February 17, 1997, issue, U.S. News & World Report noted that only one duck per year is needed to manufacture the product, which had total sales of $20 million in 1996. The magazine dubbed that unlucky bird "the $20-million duck."

Actually, the laws of chemistry state that there is a limit to the dilution that can be made without losing the original substance altogether. This limit, which is related to Avogadro's number, corresponds to homeopathic potencies of 12C or 24X (1 part in 1024). Hahnemann himself realized that there is virtually no chance that even one molecule of original substance would remain after extreme dilutions. But he believed that the vigorous shaking or pulverizing with each step of dilution leaves behind a "spirit-like" essence—"no longer perceptible to the senses"—which cures by reviving the body's "vital force." Modern proponents assert that even when the last molecule is gone, a "memory" of the substance is retained. This notion is unsubstantiated. Moreover, if it were true, every substance encountered by a molecule of water might imprint an "essence" that could exert powerful (and unpredictable) medicinal effects when ingested by a person.

And here is what homeopaths believe:

Homeopathic products are formulated by taking a sample of a substance and repeatedly diluting it with water, water/alcohol, or milk sugar. The products are derived from minerals, plants, zoological substances, microorganisms, and several other sources. If the allegedly medicinal substance is soluble, 1 part is diluted in either 9 or 99 parts of distilled water and/or alcohol and "succussed" (shaken) vigorously; if insoluble, it is finely ground and "triturated" (pulverized) in similar proportions with powdered lactose (milk sugar). One part of the diluted medicine is diluted, and the process is repeated to reach the desired concentration, after which it may be bottled or used to impregnate sugar granules.

Dilutions of 1 to 10 are designated by the Roman numeral X (1X = 1/10, 2X = 1/100, 3X = 1/1,000, 6X = 1/1,000,000). Similarly, dilutions of 1 to 100 are designated by the Roman numeral C (1C = 1/100, 2C = 1/10,000, 3C = 1/1,000,000, and so on). Most remedies today range from 6X to 30C, but some carry designations as high as 200C.

Advocates claim that the lower the concentration of a substance, the more potent it becomes. This concept, often referred to as the "Law of Infinitestimals," is the equivalent of saying that the less sugar you put into a cup of coffee, the sweeter it will become. This is just the opposite of the dose-response relationship that pharmacologists have demonstrated.

All from http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html

If you buy into the law of infinitesimals then you really don't deserve your money. Just burn it instead and suck on the fumes - it'll have more of an impact than a million homeopathic treatments. Homeopathy is simply not plausible in any form whatsoever. It is scientifically not possible for it to work.

Paracelsus was the 16th century moron who began homeopathy. He claims that "small doses of "what makes a man ill also cures him" He made this claim without an iota of evidence and since then (600 years), not a single credible bit of evidence showing the efficacy of homeopathy has been found. There are cases of people being "cured" but no more than the placebo effect of any medicinal or non-medicinal treatment. It simply doesn't work, and is a scam.

The e-meter machines that they use also have nothing to do with homeopathy. They are scientology-based machines that do...well...sweet fsckall in terms of diagnosis.

Bottom line: don't fall for this scam. Educate yourself before going to some form of alternative "healing", because 99/100, they are just scams intended to prey on the desperate and the weak-minded...

 

[noxibox]

You can get a very good cure at any supermarket. Comes in brown and white varieties. Otherwise the municipality provides homoeopathic remedies directly to your home. There are usually outlets in the kitchen, bathroom and garden, if you have one.

 

[blunomore]

There is a machine which you hold a handle, they drop vials of different allergens into the machine and you "rev" when you're allergic.

WTH??

 

[w1z4rd]

DJ... your video makes me angry Bah, ****ing idiots. People like her should be locked up for lying.

 

[guest2013-1]

It's a crock of ****. Go to an actual doctor, not some quack that wants toe feed you weeds to cure cancer.

I think you confuse homeopath with sangoma

 

[w1z4rd]

Einstein taught us that energy equals matter and light, but because matter can be condensed down to a very small space if you remove all the empty space between the elementary particles (I am paraphrasing to make her statements minimally coherent), we can mostly ignore matter. Therefore energy is light, and we are all made of energy – not matter (or at least so little matter, you can ignore it). Stephen Hawking then came up with string theory, which tells us that all matter (which we can ignore) is made of vibrating strings. Therefore we are made of vibrating energy. All diseases are therefore caused by unhealthy vibrational states, and all disease can be treated by returning the body to a previous healthy vibrational state. This can be done with homeopathy, which extracts the vibrational energy out of stuff and places it in a small pill that can be used at any time.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org...-from-a-homeopath-and-behavioral-optometrist/

Thats her explanation as to how it works.

 

[DJ...]

I think you confuse homeopath with sangoma

You're right. Homeopaths prescribe water, not weeds...

 

[diabolus]

I'm surprised they're not diluting money into water at ratios like they describe. It sounds like the solution to poverty!

 

[HapticSimian]

3 and a half hours and not one frothing defence of homoeopathy? There may yet be hope...

 

[Pooky]

dd1313 as I'm sure you can see, you won't have much luck finding any advocates here.

I would recommend you try it if you are interested and decide for yourself whether it works or not.