Visiting a Homeopath

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HelterSkelter said:
I tried natural tears and all those kinds of eye lube, didn't work. The Similasan works, I do not think in the homeopathetic way, maybe because it is preserved with silver sulphate, the silver could be killing bacteria.
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I doubt its supposed 0.000039% content of silver sulphate is enough to do much of anything.

Don't be too hard on yourself; you're not the first person to be had, and you certainly won't be the last. ;)
 
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HapticSimian said:
Nope. Doesn't do jack-****, apart from hydrating your eyes a bit.
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Check out the ingredients. I would consider using it to spike a homeopath's drink with, but I certainly wouldn't put that schit near my body, let alone in it.

Either they are lying about the concentrations, or they're selling a vial of some of the most toxic poison known to man...
 
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DJ... said:
It's the white coat effect that most people fall for, but fortunately you didn't. It is the Stanley Milgram experiment results playing themselves out for all to see.

A white coat does not infer mental acuity or ability. It infers nothing, actually...
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In varsity I used to own a white coat for labs - if only I knew I'd be mother rich round about now. Dang:(
 
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blunomore said:
What do we make of the people who say that they made use of ayurvedic treatment and that it worked for this or that ailment ? Placebo?
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The placebo effect happens in all walks of medicine, even those based on actual scientific research. It is a phenomena that we still do not quite understand. Modern science accepts this because it is known. The alternative treatments are not immune to the placebo effect, yet when such a claim is made it is always met with derision by the alternative healing community.

Alternative medicine has proved no more effective than the placebo effect, ever!
 
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DJ... said:
Have you looked into what it is you're actually taking?

People assume that homeopathic means herbal. It doesn't. What you are taking is a herbal substance made from belladona, which by the way is incredibly toxic. Your herbal remedy is 1/3rd belladona, so careful - it can kill you. Perhaps you're feeling better because it is blocking your neural transmitters, considering belladona is an anticholinergic agent?

But you are not taking a homeopathic remedy. You are taking a herbal one, and a dangerous one at that. Keep it locked up and away from kids. You could probably kill a person with the quantities you have there, and putting it in your body is not recommended. Here's why:



So you're taking a substance that only works temporarily because it actually causes massive eye problems in itself, and therefore initiates a reaction that results in greater blood flow to the eye, and the body's response is to lubricate the eye. So you're "fixing" your problem with another, more serious problem, that will in all likelihood in the long run prove to be rather bad for you.

And that's just after looking into one of the three ingredients of what you're taking. Just because something feels better doesn't mean it is good for you. Beladonna is lethal, and just look at the side effects of what you're taking! :eek:

And you are not taking a homeopathic version either. It is just a herbal substance. The two concepts are not interchangeable. Some herbal remedies work. We know this. Just look at how aspirin was discovered...
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And the puss at the pharmacy said I could use it as often as I would like to. Last bottle I finished yesterday, luckily did not have money for a new one because payday is Saturday.
 
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HapticSimian said:
Calm down to a mild panic there, DJ... The 'D6' following every supposed ingredient denotes that it's a homoeopathic solution thereof. It's just water. :D
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Aha, that makes more sense then. LOL.

So it's a belladona solution, so water. There are more trace elements of human fecal matter in his eyedrops than there is any supposed active ingredient. Perhaps there is something in the schit that's curing his eye?

HelterSkelter - have you tried rubbing human schit in your eyes to see if perhaps that is what's helping?
 
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HelterSkelter said:
And the puss at the pharmacy said I could use it as often as I would like to. Last bottle I finished yesterday, luckily did not have money for a new one because payday is Saturday.
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I missed the D6 annotation, which means it is diluted one part to a million. So you are consuming one one millionth of a ml of any active ingredient in your 1ml of eyedrops. In other words, you are putting water in your eye.

Apologies if your placebo effect stops working now...
 
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DJ... said:
HelterSkelter - have you tried rubbing human schit in your eyes to see if perhaps that is what's helping?
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LOL, that definitely does not help, 'cause I think that's what started it a few months ago. Although these days the scratching and itching and burning and redness flare up after I have pruned my marine fish tank.
 
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IzZzy said:
The physiotherapist tried to pull Acupuncture on me!! :/
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Firstly, we are discussing homeopathy and not acupuncture.
Secondly, are you sure that she was trying acupuncture and not needle therapy? They are quite different
 
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eehellfire said:
Firstly, we are discussing homeopathy and not acupuncture.
Secondly, are you sure that she was trying acupuncture and not needle therapy? They are quite different
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Are you talking about dry-needling? In which case the synopsis I read was that it has no greater efficacy than placebo, and not a single actual scientific study has been concluded. There have been numerous studies, but not a single one has been truly scientific. Wiki has an efficacy section relating to the studies which collates the outcomes quite nicely:

Just like there are various methods to dry needling, there are various theories concerning the mechanism of action in how or why the procedure may work. Many of the studies published about dry needling are not strong; either the studies were not randomized, contained small sample sizes, had high dropout rates, used active interventions in the control group, did not follow the minimally acceptable criteria for diagnosing a myofascial trigger point, or did not clearly state that myofascial trigger points were the sole cause for the pain. For example, in a systematic review on needling therapies in the management of myofascial trigger points, only 8 of the 23 trials described the minimally acceptable criteria for diagnosing a trigger point. Locating the trigger point for dry needling is the basis for performing dry needling and should therefore be documented in each study performing this technique. In the same review, two studies tested the efficacy beyond placebo of dry needling in the treatment of myofascial trigger point pain, but, in one, the dropout rate was 48% and it was neither blinded nor randomized, and the other study used potentially active interventions in the control group.
Another systematic review concluded that dry needling for the treatment of myofascial pain syndrome in the lower back appeared to be a useful addition to standard therapies, but that clear recommendations could not be made because the published studies are small and of low quality.[6] A 2007 meta-analysis examining dry needling of myofascial trigger points concluded that the effect of needling was not significantly different to that of placebo controls, though the trend in the results could be compatible with a treatment effect. One study (Lorenzo et al. 2004) did show a short-term reduction in shoulder pain in stroke patients who received needling with standard rehabilitation compared to those who received standard care alone, but the study was open-label and measurement timings differed, limiting the use of the study. Again the small sample size and poor quality of studies was highlighted.[11]
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Personally, until something is actually proven to work, I'm not willing to be your test subject, thanks, nor pay you for the supposed privilege. Because currently anyone performing dry-needling is simply performing R&D and charging for it as far as I'm concerned. And I find it quite damning when so many studies are performed and not a single one has lead to conclusive outcomes, nor has a single one been truly scientific. It seems the practitioners/researchers either don't know what they're doing, or they are knowingly avoiding adopting any scientific methodologies to test dry needling properly. In fact in some studies, there have been active interventions on the part of the so called researchers...
 
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eehellfire said:
Firstly, we are discussing homeopathy and not acupuncture.
Secondly, are you sure that she was trying acupuncture and not needle therapy? They are quite different
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Firstly, the subject matter of this thread has bounced from homeopathy to Scientology and to ayurvedic medicine. Why pick on acupuncture as being "off topic". Frankly, all so called medicinal scams are on-topic.

Secondly, unless I am losing my hearing, "he" said "let's try some acupuncture".

Edit: I have no idea why I capitalised scientology.
 
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