Visiting a Homeopath

[guest2013-1]

homeopathy does work dude, you all quoting a bunch of nonsense

 

[hellfire]

Are you talking about dry-needling? In which case the synopsis I read was that it has no greater efficacy than placebo, and not a single actual scientific study has been concluded. There have been numerous studies, but not a single one has been truly scientific. Wiki has an efficacy section relating to the studies which collates the outcomes quite nicely:



Personally, until something is actually proven to work, I'm not willing to be your test subject, thanks, nor pay you for the supposed privilege. Because currently anyone performing dry-needling is simply performing R&D and charging for it as far as I'm concerned. And I find it quite damning when so many studies are performed and not a single one has lead to conclusive outcomes, nor has a single one been truly scientific. It seems the practitioners/researchers either don't know what they're doing, or they are knowingly avoiding adopting any scientific methodologies to test dry needling properly. In fact in some studies, there have been active interventions on the part of the so called researchers...

The way the physios and chiros explained needling to me was that not all muscles can be reached via massage, especially if some are in spasm. Thus needling does whatever massage is supposed to do in terms of un-spasming muscles and allowing bloodflow.

 

[DJ...]

Actually, it was originated in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann

Depends on how strictly you want to define homeopathy. Paracelsus was the first to introduce the "like cures like" nonsense to the world and continued to develop concentrations of poisons (his field of work) in the hope that they'd cure exposure to the same poison in higher doses. While Samuel Hehnemann might have coined the phrase, he was working on the back of Paracelsus' work...

 

[HelterSkelter]

Well it seems that homeopaths do an awful lot of studying.

http://www.homeopathysouthafrica.co.za/homeopathy_education_training.htm

And then prescribe water. Sounds like a good definition for fvcktardery.

 

[DJ...]

homeopathy does work dude, you all quoting a bunch of nonsense

To make such a claim, you'd have to equally prove the efficacy of water. No bullschit is being quoted - you simply don't like what you're reading. Big difference!

 

[HapticSimian]

The way the physios and chiros explained needling to me was that not all muscles can be reached via massage, especially if some are in spasm. Thus needling does whatever massage is supposed to do in terms of un-spasming muscles and allowing bloodflow.

*DING!* *DING!* *DING!* *DING!*

Chiros really shouldn't be explaining anything to anyone...

 

[DJ...]

The way the physios and chiros explained needling to me was that not all muscles can be reached via massage, especially if some are in spasm. Thus needling does whatever massage is supposed to do in terms of un-spasming muscles and allowing bloodflow.

Many things sound logical, but when tested don't hold true. Dry-needling so far is one of them. And stop listening to chiropractor scam artists...

 

[w1z4rd]

The puss at the pharmacy was probably RiaX. Make of that what you will...

Doubt it, RiaX is pretty rational with his information so far as I have seen.

 

[DJ...]

Well it seems that homeopaths do an awful lot of studying.

http://www.homeopathysouthafrica.co.za/homeopathy_education_training.htm

And then prescribe water. Sounds like a good definition for fvcktardery.

They study a bit of medicine to prep them for the herb course, where they completely lie to them and make ridiculous claims about how herbs, oils, and soluble solutions interact with the human body. Like I said, I;ve got a homeopath family member and I've read her study material. It is mind-boggling bullschit...

 

[Sm00thSm0k3]

I'm in complete disagreement with most folks here. I've had excellent results using Homeopaths and I've generally found that doctors are mainly concerned with treating the symptoms rather than the actual root cause.

Couple of years ago I had severe sinus congestion. GP couldn't help so I went to an ENT Surgeon and after a 10 min consult the f**ker wanted to schedule me for surgery. I said f**k no and went to see a Homeopath. 3 days after using the Homeopaths concoction my sinuses were clear and I've never had a problem since.

A few months back my daughter was having some bad issues with her lungs and breathing in general...was coughing up a lot of phlegm and it was making her very ill. Took her to 2 Peads and a lung specialist with minimal results. Took her to a Homeopath late last year and she's 100% now.

Don't get me wrong though, Homeopaths aren't good for everything but I will HIGHLY recommend them for non-serious ailments etc.

 

[DJ...]

*DING!* *DING!* *DING!* *DING!*

Chiros really shouldn't be explaining anything to anyone...

I particularly enjoyed Penn & Teller's episode on chiropractors...

[video=youtube;lyxaGk75Mjo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyxaGk75Mjo[/video]

 

[Sherbang]

Depends on how strictly you want to define homeopathy. Paracelsus was the first to introduce the "like cures like" nonsense to the world and continued to develop concentrations of poisons (his field of work) in the hope that they'd cure exposure to the same poison in higher doses. While Samuel Hehnemann might have coined the phrase, he was working on the back of Paracelsus' work...

Homeopathy is already quite strictly defined, it's not up to you how strictly you want to define it - and it's not simply 'like cures like'.

The 'remedies', for example, are prepared by repeatedly diluting a chosen substance in alcohol or distilled water, followed by forceful striking on an elastic body, called succussion. Each dilution followed by succussion is said to increase the remedy's potency. Paracelsus said nothing about this - it was Samual Hehnemann and he did more than just coin a phrase - he developed the entire system. Although the idea of 'like cures like' goes way back - I don't even think one can claim Paracelsus was the first to introduce it, homeopathy is far more specific than that.

 

[HelterSkelter]

During training, clinical knowledge in the fields of human anatomy, physiology, pathology and diagnostics are studied in great detail. A homeopath has the clinical diagnosing skills honed in during their training. Homeopaths can interpret X-ray results as well as Path Lab tests. As a postgraduate specialization, a homeopath may study further diagnostic aids such as iridology or electro-dermal testing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridology

As opposed to evidence-based medicine, Iridology is not supported by quality research studies and is widely considered pseudoscience.

LOL!

 

[DJ...]

I'm in complete disagreement with most folks here. I've had excellent results using Homeopaths and I've generally found that doctors are mainly concerned with treating the symptoms rather than the actual root cause.

Couple of years ago I had severe sinus congestion. GP couldn't help so I went to an ENT Surgeon and after a 10 min consult the f**ker wanted to schedule me for surgery. I said f**k no and went to see a Homeopath. 3 days after using the Homeopaths concoction my sinuses were clear and I've never had a problem since.

A few months back my daughter was having some bad issues with her lungs and breathing in general...was coughing up a lot of phlegm and it was making her very ill. Took her to 2 Peads and a lung specialist with minimal results. Took her to a Homeopath late last year and she's 100% now.

Don't get me wrong though, Homeopaths aren't good for everything but I will HIGHLY recommend them for non-serious ailments etc.

You took your daughter to a homeopath for lung problems?! What kind of irresponsible parent does this?!

Fsck, this scam artist industry needs to die already. You are suckling water! Learn about the industry a little bit - do some research before believing everything they tell you. The facts about the industry are there for anyone to see. You are buying water! Literally, that is all that you are buying, and all that you are using...

 

[DJ...]

Homeopathy is already quite strictly defined, it's not up to you how strictly you want to define it - and it's not simply 'like cures like'.

The 'remedies', for example, are prepared by repeatedly diluting a chosen substance in alcohol or distilled water, followed by forceful striking on an elastic body, called succussion. Each dilution followed by succussion is said to increase the remedy's potency. Paracelsus said nothing about this - it was Samual Hehnemann and he did more than just coin a phrase - he developed the entire system. Although the idea of 'like cures like' goes way back - I don't even think one can claim Paracelsus was the first to introduce it, homeopathy is far more specific than that.

Oh fine then. Very strict definition then. Have it your way. Means nothing at the end of the day. Still bullschit, regardless of whether you believe it was based on Paracelsus' work. Most homeopaths do, and it is taught to them as such as well.

But heck, if that's how you like to look at it then so be it...

 

[HapticSimian]

I'm in complete disagreement with most folks here. I've had excellent results using Homeopaths and I've generally found that doctors are mainly concerned with treating the symptoms rather than the actual root cause.

Couple of years ago I had severe sinus congestion. GP couldn't help so I went to an ENT Surgeon and after a 10 min consult the f**ker wanted to schedule me for surgery. I said f**k no and went to see a Homeopath. 3 days after using the Homeopaths concoction my sinuses were clear and I've never had a problem since.

A few months back my daughter was having some bad issues with her lungs and breathing in general...was coughing up a lot of phlegm and it was making her very ill. Took her to 2 Peads and a lung specialist with minimal results. Took her to a Homeopath late last year and she's 100% now.

Don't get me wrong though, Homeopaths aren't good for everything but I will HIGHLY recommend them for non-serious ailments etc.

Whether you're in disagreement or not has no bearing on you being objectively and demonstrably wrong. And you are.

It's not as if these things haven't been investigated, dude. They have - extensively. There is simply no mechanism for homoeopathy to work through. It's not a case of 'maybe they just don't know how'; it is a categorical fact that is simply doesn't and can't do anything. The methodology by which such conclusions are reached, and the studies themselves, are often just a couple of mouse clicks away. There's no conspiracy; homoeopathy simply doesn't do anything.

Just so we're clear: there's a distinction between homoeopathy and natural remedies. The former doesn't do anything apart from eroding your bank balance; the latter might well do something, but likely not as well as proper medicine.

The conduct of a few sketchy health practitioners is hardly reason enough to go running into the arms of quackery.

 

[diabolus]

I'm in complete disagreement with most folks here. I've had excellent results using Homeopaths and I've generally found that doctors are mainly concerned with treating the symptoms rather than the actual root cause.

Couple of years ago I had severe sinus congestion. GP couldn't help so I went to an ENT Surgeon and after a 10 min consult the f**ker wanted to schedule me for surgery. I said f**k no and went to see a Homeopath. 3 days after using the Homeopaths concoction my sinuses were clear and I've never had a problem since.

A few months back my daughter was having some bad issues with her lungs and breathing in general...was coughing up a lot of phlegm and it was making her very ill. Took her to 2 Peads and a lung specialist with minimal results. Took her to a Homeopath late last year and she's 100% now.

Don't get me wrong though, Homeopaths aren't good for everything but I will HIGHLY recommend them for non-serious ailments etc.

...or just maybe in both cases "time" cured both ailments. Since you went to the homeopath -after- the doctors, chances are the issue would sort itself out by that time anyway. Sometimes the body does manage to cure itself , without needing any medicine.

 

[DJ...]

Don't get me wrong though, Homeopaths aren't good for everything but I will HIGHLY recommend them for non-serious ailments etc.

You think that lung problems aren't serious?! Really?

And explain then how homeopathy can supposedly be effective at treating minor ailments, but not more serious ones? The physiology of the human body doesn't change based on severity of the affliction. It is pure tripe to claim that somehow the body rejects homeopathic treatments once a certain level of severity as been reached. That's not how the human body works.

Let's look at a lung infection, which your daughter might have had. Had she been unable to breathe completely (as in no breath movements), would you have dropped a bit of water with one millionth part beladonna down her throat? No, because you know it would have done absolutely nothing. The body doesn't say "hey, the infection has spread therefore start working differently so this previous medicine that supposedly worked now doesn't any longer". Anti-bodies do not build up like this. And there has never been a single shred of evidence of anti-body development to homeopathic treatments. That in itself says it is nonsense. Not even the body reckons it works - it is literally showing you that it doesn't.

As for your anecdotal accounts, there are numerous as to why you perceived it to work. Sinus clears up, as do lung problems. They simply do. The placebo effect is very real if you believe in the medicine. You might have taken a herbal remedy instead of a homeopathic one, as they are often marketed as the same thing, which they are not.

Lung problems are serious issues. They are not to be fscked around with by homeopaths for god's sake. Water does not cure lung problems...

 

[OrbitalDawn]

I think you confuse homeopath with sangoma

Hmm, yes. Seems I got my quackery mixed up. Although, aren't sangomas diviners and inyangas the healers?

I missed the D6 annotation, which means it is diluted one part to a million. So you are consuming one one millionth of a ml of any active ingredient in your 1ml of eyedrops. In other words, you are putting water in your eye.

Apologies if your placebo effect stops working now...

So we've established that putting water in your eye... lubricates it.

If you stuck around you might've been given a copy of Dianetics!

And maybe a soft, warm rub on the inner thigh... To get rid of the stress, ya know.

 

[DJ...]

...or just maybe in both cases "time" cured both ailments. Since you went to the homeopath -after- the doctors, chances are the issue would sort itself out by that time anyway. Sometimes the body does manage to cure itself , without needing any medicine.

More than just that, for a lung problem and sinus issue, it is unlikely that all of these doctors were consulted and no medicine was prescribed.

Either the medicine was taken but the "cure" attributed to the homeopath, just because. Or no medicine was taken which is even more irresponsible, and a homeopath was consulted. And the issue cleared up.

Homeopathy simply doesn't work. It has been tested considerably for decades already...