HapticSimian
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Only fair to give the man an opportunity to answer your fellow loonies; unsurprisingly they don't emerge intact.
Also, I think I recall giving you that same link once before. So, you're still pro-bull****, huh? Sad...
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Only fair to give the man an opportunity to answer your fellow loonies; unsurprisingly they don't emerge intact.
Also, I think I recall giving you that same link once before. So, you're still pro-bull****, huh? Sad...
Shouldn't take too long to find another source though
I linked to about ten threads earlier, all of which contain multiple non-quackwatch sources. Regardless, the objections to Stephen Barrett are nonsense, as addressed in the previous thread where this was discussed...
Be honest now... were you just trying to troll DJ?
Hosehead
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I can't believe I've kept out of this thread. *pats self on head*
Well done. At least watching from the peripherals means that you didn't have to post that bullschit about Stephen Barrett once again...
Nanfeishen
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So, you're still pro-bull****, huh? Sad...
Really ?..........
The goal of every individual at the onset of sickness and ill health is a desire to return to their previous state of good
health or a state of improved health, and to remain in either state for as long as possible.
The purpose of medicine, be it Allopathic. Osteopathic, Complementary, Integrated, Alternative or Traditional is
there to assist the individual in achieving that goal.
The methodology employed to achieve the goal is irrelevant as long as the desired goal is achieved.
HapticSimian
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The goal of every individual at the onset of sickness and ill health is a desire to return to their previous state of good
health or a state of improved health, and to remain in either state for as long as possible.
The purpose of medicine, be it Allopathic. Osteopathic, Complementary, Integrated, Alternative or Traditional is
there to assist the individual in achieving that goal.
The methodology employed to achieve the goal is irrelevant as long as the desired goal is achieved.
All very poetic. However, when there is overwhelming evidence to show that the stated goal is achieved in spite of a given course of treatment, and not because of it, it is fundamentally stupid to ignore such evidence.
What colour is your PowerBalance bracelet, by the way?
OrbitalDawn
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Wasn't he the one that also got into a tizz when we badmouthed reflexology?
Yip. Nanfeishen appears to defend any and all forms of alternative therapy...
Hosehead
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I can only give my own experiences.
1. Homepathy. An old dear of a family friend, wife of a famous artist, both now long departed, bless, studied homepathy fervently and when I was a young and reckless lad who trashed motorcycles with impunity and found myself confined to body casts and bedbound; unable to excavate my bowels for days on end due to the prodigious amounts of morphine clogging up my system, I called her for help. She took one look at me and prescribed http://abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Nux-v and said the next day I would be King of the Porcelain Throne. She was right; Never in my life, before or since have I experienced my innards dropping into a toilet bowel for hours on end after placing 4 tiny pistules under my tongue.
2. Acupuncture. A China Man made me a human pin cushion and set me on fire (moxibustion) I was a smoking, smouldering wreck but noticed no difference whatsoever to my condition. However, I am reliably informed that they perform major operations in Chinese hospitals using acupunture rather than anaesthetics. I sure wouldn't like to be a patient there.
3. Dry needling is something my physiotherapist does now and again. She sticks in one or two needles deep into the muscle that is bothering me. When she twirls it I practically hit the ceiling. My chiropactor uses this too when I get back kinks and for me, all three therapies work to fix an immediate short term problem requiring one or two visits.
4. There were other alternative therapies I've undergone which involved crystals, rainbows, clicking bells and chanting. I can't remember the names but I'd like my money back.
1. Homepathy. An old dear of a family friend, wife of a famous artist, both now long departed, bless, studied homepathy fervently and when I was a young and reckless lad who trashed motorcycles with impunity and found myself confined to body casts and bedbound; unable to excavate my bowels for days on end due to the prodigious amounts of morphine clogging up my system, I called her for help. She took one look at me and prescribed http://abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Nux-v and said the next day I would be King of the Porcelain Throne. She was right; Never in my life, before or since have I experienced my innards dropping into a toilet bowel for hours on end after placing 4 tiny pistules under my tongue.
2. Acupuncture. A China Man made me a human pin cushion and set me on fire (moxibustion) I was a smoking, smouldering wreck but noticed no difference whatsoever to my condition. However, I am reliably informed that they perform major operations in Chinese hospitals using acupunture rather than anaesthetics. I sure wouldn't like to be a patient there.
3. Dry needling is something my physiotherapist does now and again. She sticks in one or two needles deep into the muscle that is bothering me. When she twirls it I practically hit the ceiling. My chiropactor uses this too when I get back kinks and for me, all three therapies work to fix an immediate short term problem requiring one or two visits.
4. There were other alternative therapies I've undergone which involved crystals, rainbows, clicking bells and chanting. I can't remember the names but I'd like my money back.
Luckily you didn't pay for the acupuncture, but certainly demand your cash back from the chiropractor scam artist and the physiotherapist who charged you for being a test subject in her dry needling study. Acupuncture for analgesic purposes is actually based in some scientific fact though - http://www.frca.co.uk/article.aspx?articleid=100547 As for acupuncture cures based on qi, meridians and pressure points, it is simple nonsense as far as the scientific community is concerned.
As for your homeopathic family member, they no doubt gave you a herbal remedy. They are just as prone to calling anything and everything with a herb in it, homeopathy...
As for your homeopathic family member, they no doubt gave you a herbal remedy. They are just as prone to calling anything and everything with a herb in it, homeopathy...
Hosehead
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Well here's the thing, my physio, was once the physio for hamiltons RFC, and whatever she does,- even dry needling works.
The Chiropractor I only visit when I get a trapped nerve and he always frees it up and always tells me on the mark how long it will take and he's always right. A quick Dry needling in conjunction with a muscle massage works for ME. (even though it can be uncomfortable)
These are exceptions I imagine. I have been to chiropractors who I have called Quacks but then I got selective and avoid them like fetid swamp smells.
The Chiropractor I only visit when I get a trapped nerve and he always frees it up and always tells me on the mark how long it will take and he's always right. A quick Dry needling in conjunction with a muscle massage works for ME. (even though it can be uncomfortable)
These are exceptions I imagine. I have been to chiropractors who I have called Quacks but then I got selective and avoid them like fetid swamp smells.
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The goal of every individual at the onset of sickness and ill health is a desire to return to their previous state of good
health or a state of improved health, and to remain in either state for as long as possible.
The purpose of medicine, be it Allopathic. Osteopathic, Complementary, Integrated, Alternative or Traditional is
there to assist the individual in achieving that goal.
The methodology employed to achieve the goal is irrelevant as long as the desired goal is achieved.
.... yay. Lets believe for a fair world and immortality. While fraudsters like you disrupt proper real medicine all you serve to do is allow resistance to develop because you con people out of working medicine into BS placebo effects. Unfortunately a bacterium doesnt know what a placebo effect is.
So show me a case where any alternate medicine has cured something serious other than a subjective pain. Ive seen modern medicine restore eye sight to a blindman.... Ive seen traditional healers bring up the CD4 cell count because they were putting ARVs into their potions. I know people that took herbs elixirs roots ect for hiv and cancer and they are dead now
You speak as if the "goal" is a simple thing. Here is a goal: Go to mars and bring back a stone from the surface. Not that hard you only bringing back a simple stone
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I still think if you're in love you can marry anyone you like. Don't know why you guys are so up in arms with homeopathy.
Bunch of homeophobes.
HapticSimian
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Azbubu
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I got homeopathic libido pills once, Homeoerectus.
porchrat
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Vaccines are usually a case of "sort of similar prevents death from infection by the actual pathogen later".
Very seldom will you receive a live vaccine. You receive an attenuated vaccine or a conjugate vaccine or a pathogen that expresses the same antigens but won't kill you. All of which presented no functional deadly pathogen but instead just provides you with the antigen in order to develop antibodies. So in most cases you are receiving something similar to the pathogen only in terms of immune response facilitation. As far as I am aware this is not the same principle used in homeopathy in which you receive a smaller dose of the poison in order to counteract the poison.