Visiting a Homeopath

[DJ...]

Got the little bugger on ignore, but saw porchrat's post about Swa tasting that it's not just water. Unfortunately if that were the case, it would mean that the solution was not properly diluted and was impure. It would not be a homeopathic solution. Unfortunately that is simply a fact. It cannot be argued against. If you're tasting anything but water, then you're either deluding yourself, or you're swallowing a non-homeopathic solution.

Both options are dangerous. On the one hand you're a delusional imbecile. On the other you are being sold something on the basis of it being a certain concentration and it simply isn't. Considering that homeopathic remedies love using ingredients like belladonna, this situation then becomes incredibly dangerous...

 

[HapticSimian]

Unfortunately that is simply a fact. It cannot be argued against...

If we've learnt anything, it is that this will present no obstacle to the deluded.

 

[porchrat]

Got the little bugger on ignore, but saw porchrat's post about Swa tasting that it's not just water.

I've also got him on ignore. Just saw the hilarious snippets others were quoting from his posts and responded accordingly. It makes life so much easier not to have to actually see or read through the real garbage of his.

Unfortunately if that were the case, it would mean that the solution was not properly diluted and was impure. It would not be a homeopathic solution. Unfortunately that is simply a fact. It cannot be argued against. If you're tasting anything but water, then you're either deluding yourself, or you're swallowing a non-homeopathic solution.

Both options are dangerous. On the one hand you're a delusional imbecile. On the other you are being sold something on the basis of it being a certain concentration and it simply isn't. Considering that homeopathic remedies love using ingredients like belladonna, this situation then becomes incredibly dangerous...

+1

 

[RiaX]

I would put him on ignore but he might make a fascinating study on dementia ... some of the madness he types I havent even come across such delusions in an asylum in my days in the psych unit

Once there was this conspiracy nut job that thought there were mind control bugs in the tap water to make us pay tax

 

[Swa]

Problem is that isn't what is meant by homoeopathic, that is just one legislative blunder. True homoeopathic solutions are just water. Which makes it even funnier when Swa claims to be able to taste that homoeopathic solutions aren't just water because he is either wrong in that it is in fact water or, even more hilarious, is wrong from the perspective that he can't tell actual homoeopathy from some other untested bullschit simply labelled as homoeopathic and he still swallows it like some sort of idiot. ROFL

More BS but hey since you have me on ignore you can't even see how I'm tearing your arguments to shreds. That is freakin' hilarious. You keep replying to posts not even knowing what I really said. Keep going as we are having a food laugh.

Now the point you still don't get. Homeopathy isn't just water. They are complaining about that very fact because they've incorrectly defined it.

Got the little bugger on ignore, but saw porchrat's post about Swa tasting that it's not just water. Unfortunately if that were the case, it would mean that the solution was not properly diluted and was impure. It would not be a homeopathic solution. Unfortunately that is simply a fact. It cannot be argued against. If you're tasting anything but water, then you're either deluding yourself, or you're swallowing a non-homeopathic solution.

Both options are dangerous. On the one hand you're a delusional imbecile. On the other you are being sold something on the basis of it being a certain concentration and it simply isn't. Considering that homeopathic remedies love using ingredients like belladonna, this situation then becomes incredibly dangerous...

No the simple fact is that homeopathy is nothing but "like cures like." Get that fact into your head. There's nothing saying it must be just water.

 

[RiaX]

no swa you arent tearing anyone's arguments to shreds, maybe in your mind. You have never torn an argument to shreds before, and the only laughing going on is directed at you.

No the simple fact is that homeopathy is nothing but "like cures like." Get that fact into your head. There's nothing saying it must be just water.

Idiot. The whole basis of homeopathy is that water molecules remember the solute (how no idea) and hence and extremely low concentration (lower than a drop in the sea) prevents nasty side-effects.

You debating trying to act clever but you have no f**king clue what you talking about. HOMEOPATHY IS NOT A HOME REMEDY

 

[Swa]

There is only one principle in homeopathy: "like cures like." Get that straight now once and for all.

 

[SauRoNZA]

[video=youtube;BWE1tH93G9U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U[/video]

I believe that should answer all your questions.

 

[HapticSimian]

/snip

I believe that should answer all your questions.

James Randi is just feeding the conspiracy against alternative medicine.

 

[SauRoNZA]

James Randi is just feeding the conspiracy against alternative medicine.

LOL

Never mind all the other stuff he says the fact that you can drink a bottle of Homeopathic Sleeping tablets and NOTHING happens to you says it all.

 

[HapticSimian]

LOL

Never mind all the other stuff he says the fact that you can drink a bottle of Homeopathic Sleeping tablets and NOTHING happens to you says it all.

Probably wasn't supplied by a qualified homoeopath.

Dude, these morons are impervious to evidence.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Look there is evidence to suggest that Homeopathy works.

However that evidence is based on the psychological benefits of the placebo effect.

The reason homeopathy works is because the people who administer it spend about three times as long with a patient compared to a regular doctor and maintains a more personal relationship with their patients. So in turn it's the human interaction factor that makes the difference....not the drugs.


People believe that it works...therefore heal themselves.


Not unlike religion, but that's a different kettle of fish.

 

[Slootvreter]

Look there is evidence to suggest that Homeopathy works.

However that evidence is based on the psychological benefits of the placebo effect.

The reason homeopathy works is because the people who administer it spend about three times as long with a patient compared to a regular doctor and maintains a more personal relationship with their patients. So in turn it's the human interaction factor that makes the difference....not the drugs.


People believe that it works...therefore heal themselves.


Not unlike religion, but that's a different kettle of fish.

I take Prexum Plus for bloodpressure (140/90), and this one quack (don't know how I ended up with him) took a photo of me, looked at the photo and identfied all sorts of things wrong with me. 'Prescribed' me a lot of A.Vogel salts and other crap (goddamn expensive). I mentioned to him about the blood pressure, and he actually 'prescribed' me something and told me to keep using it for a month and then I can discontinue the Prexum and stay on his sugar pills. Kinda dangerous telling people things like that.

 

[HapticSimian]

Look there is evidence to suggest that Homeopathy works.

However that evidence is based on the psychological benefits of the placebo effect.

The reason homeopathy works is because the people who administer it spend about three times as long with a patient compared to a regular doctor and maintains a more personal relationship with their patients. So in turn it's the human interaction factor that makes the difference....not the drugs.


People believe that it works...therefore heal themselves.


Not unlike religion, but that's a different kettle of fish.

The placebo effect does not mean quackery shouldn't be fought at every turn. For every person whose sinuses clear up thanks to regression to the mean and placebo, some cancer sufferer seals his sentence by believing in bull****.

 

[Leftfoot]

I was also pretty sceptical with homoeopathy at first but I believe there are some very dicey practitioners.

My wife had a wart like growth under one of her to nails. After 8 attempts by conventional GP's to remove it via freezing, burning, removing the nail (2 years of attempts), she went to a homoeopath. If fact she didn't even need to tell the dude that she had the growth. The guy did some tests and asked her if she had any wart like growth anywhere on her body. She mentioned the toe and he prescribed some nice white pills. 5 days later the growth fell away never to return.

Its not the first time either. We had been trying for kids for around 13 years,Specialists, IVF, Gift procedure and 12 miscarriages later. Still no luck. Saw a homoeopath that was featured on Carte Blanche and 3 months later we were pregnant. One of the most special times on my life.

What I appreciate was that he spoke to us on a technical level telling us why this were not working, then measured us us with some machine that check for chemical balance in the body. we went on a fairly strict diet and 3 months later we were sorted. His overriding philosophy was that the body can heal itself by treating the cause and not the symptom (like GP's)

Ever gone to a GP and he ask you what's wrong.....you say "I've got a sore throat" ....he says "oh ja, you've got a cold"..."here's a syrup and an antibiotic".

I reckon there are good homoeopaths and bad ones.....but I have only had brilliant results, far more successes that with GP's or specialists. Obviously when it comes to surgery a specialist might have a place, but it will always be a very last resort for me

 

[Nerfherder]

LOL

Never mind all the other stuff he says the fact that you can drink a bottle of Homeopathic Sleeping tablets and NOTHING happens to you says it all.

Reminds me of this para-suicide patient my wife once had... she had a whole bottle of ginko biloba and Sinutab.

She was absolutely fine.... but had very green $h1t and could smell it very well.

 

[SauRoNZA]

The placebo effect does not mean quackery shouldn't be fought at every turn. For every person whose sinuses clear up thanks to regression to the mean and placebo, some cancer sufferer seals his sentence by believing in bull****.

Oh no don't get me wrong I'm not supporting it by any means.

I was simply stating where their own "evidence" stems from.


I do think there is something to be learned from it and that if doctor/patient interaction makes such a difference to people's lives then it should be employed more in the scientific medical field as well.


We are all humans after all and psychological well being is as important as physical well being.

 

[RiaX]

I was also pretty sceptical with homoeopathy at first but I believe there are some very dicey practitioners.

My wife had a wart like growth under one of her to nails. After 8 attempts by conventional GP's to remove it via freezing, burning, removing the nail (2 years of attempts), she went to a homoeopath. If fact she didn't even need to tell the dude that she had the growth. The guy did some tests and asked her if she had any wart like growth anywhere on her body. She mentioned the toe and he prescribed some nice white pills. 5 days later the growth fell away never to return.

Its not the first time either. We had been trying for kids for around 13 years,Specialists, IVF, Gift procedure and 12 miscarriages later. Still no luck. Saw a homoeopath that was featured on Carte Blanche and 3 months later we were pregnant. One of the most special times on my life.

What I appreciate was that he spoke to us on a technical level telling us why this were not working, then measured us us with some machine that check for chemical balance in the body. we went on a fairly strict diet and 3 months later we were sorted. His overriding philosophy was that the body can heal itself by treating the cause and not the symptom (like GP's)

Ever gone to a GP and he ask you what's wrong.....you say "I've got a sore throat" ....he says "oh ja, you've got a cold"..."here's a syrup and an antibiotic".

I reckon there are good homoeopaths and bad ones.....but I have only had brilliant results, far more successes that with GP's or specialists. Obviously when it comes to surgery a specialist might have a place, but it will always be a very last resort for me

Yeah ... this is exactly how people are fooled by this nonsense.

Firstly there is nothing technical about how a homeopath speaks its a level which the lay person can understand and relate to. If you arent medically trained and can understand what that person is saying WRT your health then its not technical.

Im amazed people believe in these machines. How does it work? what "chemicals" does it look for? and where is your print out?

The diet is the basis of all medicine, strange though how when your Dr mentions it you wouldnt even remember the fact it was mentioned or you wouldnt follow it because you expect some pill in a bottle to fix it all.

Then a fraudster tells you exactly what the doctor does and you like wow its a miracle.

You sir are gullible and obviously it wont work for surgery and advanced medicine where there is no hope for placebos and chance.

If homeopathy is real then a failing heart should be cured by injecting potassium .... like cures like .... I wonder what will happen ? oh wait potassium injections like that are lethal injections used for the death penalty ..... GOOD JAAAAB seems legit rofl

 

[Sherbang]

Yeah ... this is exactly how people are fooled by this nonsense.

Firstly there is nothing technical about how a homeopath speaks its a level which the lay person can understand and relate to. If you arent medically trained and can understand what that person is saying WRT your health then its not technical.

Im amazed people believe in these machines. How does it work? what "chemicals" does it look for? and where is your print out?

The diet is the basis of all medicine, strange though how when your Dr mentions it you wouldnt even remember the fact it was mentioned or you wouldnt follow it because you expect some pill in a bottle to fix it all.

Then a fraudster tells you exactly what the doctor does and you like wow its a miracle.

You sir are gullible and obviously it wont work for surgery and advanced medicine where there is no hope for placebos and chance.

If homeopathy is real then a failing heart should be cured by injecting potassium .... like cures like .... I wonder what will happen ? oh wait potassium injections like that are lethal injections used for the death penalty ..... GOOD JAAAAB seems legit rofl

erm... injecting potassium would not be considered homeopathy so you're talking nonsense. Maybe learn what homeopathy is before spouting BS. I notice you bolded parts that were convenient for you and ignored everything that was inconvenient so let me help you:

I was also pretty sceptical with homoeopathy at first but I believe there are some very dicey practitioners.

My wife had a wart like growth under one of her to nails. After 8 attempts by conventional GP's to remove it via freezing, burning, removing the nail (2 years of attempts), she went to a homoeopath. If fact she didn't even need to tell the dude that she had the growth. The guy did some tests and asked her if she had any wart like growth anywhere on her body. She mentioned the toe and he prescribed some nice white pills. 5 days later the growth fell away never to return.

Its not the first time either. We had been trying for kids for around 13 years,Specialists, IVF, Gift procedure and 12 miscarriages later. Still no luck. Saw a homoeopath that was featured on Carte Blanche and 3 months later we were pregnant. One of the most special times on my life.

 

[Unhappy438]

erm... injecting potassium would not be considered homeopathy so you're talking nonsense. Maybe learn what homeopathy is before spouting BS. I notice you bolded parts that were convenient for you and ignored everything that was inconvenient so let me help you:

He was referring to the like vs like situation. Not homeopathic medicine itself. As for your bolded bits, all subjective.