Visiting a Homeopath

[porchrat]

Your source is somewhat dodgy :

US court rules that Dr. Barrett is a fraud and FDA front man.
Dr. Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch Exposed In Court Cases
http://doctorwatch.blogspot.com/2011/06/us-court-rules-that-dr-barrett-is-fraud.html


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Quackbusters Are Busted!



http://www.gaia-health.com/articles251/000277-quackbusters-are-busted.shtml

Whether there were some court cases or not doesn't matter when one considers that every single credible scientific investigation into homoeopathy has demonstrated no efficacy beyond placebo.

 

[w1z4rd]

 

[azbob]

Remote viewing is not bullocks, I've witnessed it myself. Even Skype is capable of it. :wtf:

 

[Swa]

From a realist

Exactly, what is the ‘FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE” of homeopathy? A principle that forms the essential basis of homeopathic therapeutic system? I think there is a lot of confusion over the subject of ‘fundamental principles of homeopathy’, not only among homeopaths, but even our ‘theoreticians’.

In my opinion, the therapeutic principle of ‘similia similibus curentur’ is the only ‘essential’ fundamental principle of homeopathy. ‘Potentization’ is not a fundamental principle, but a practical way of preparing homeopathic drugs. Other ‘theories’ are only philosophical explanations, conjectures, interpretations, opinions and empirical conclusion based on personal experiences of ‘stalwarts’ and ‘masters’. They are not ‘fundamental principles’ of homeopathy.

http://dialecticalhomeopathy.com/20...e-essential-basis-of-this-therapeutic-system/

From this angle it's then all real world principles. There seems to be 2 schools of thought. One is modern medicine with synthetic patentable substances using the highest dose that doesn't kill or cause serious harm and the other homeopathy that uses the lowest dose that works. Both have on occasion gone overboard in the one using something that does cause harm and in the other using something that doesn't work.

Modern medicine calls homeopathy a placebo while accepting anti-depressants that studies show to be placebo. Interestingly modern medicine then turns to homeopathy. Experienced homeopaths swear by homeopathy as showing results. How can these co-exist without being contradictory? Well when it comes to anti-depressants modern medicine isn't afraid to sort through the shiit to see that some anti-depressants work in some people and not others. When viewed from an individual angle the success figures rise. That's because there are in fact many different depressions and even people with the same depression may not all respond to the same treatment. Get out of the hypocrisy chair then and find which homeopathic remedies work and when.

Vaccines are usually a case of "sort of similar prevents death from infection by the actual pathogen later".

Very seldom will you receive a live vaccine. You receive an attenuated vaccine or a conjugate vaccine or a pathogen that expresses the same antigens but won't kill you. All of which presented no functional deadly pathogen but instead just provides you with the antigen in order to develop antibodies. So in most cases you are receiving something similar to the pathogen only in terms of immune response facilitation. As far as I am aware this is not the same principle used in homeopathy in which you receive a smaller dose of the poison in order to counteract the poison.

Don't know where you get that. It's like cures like. An ailment can be treated by something that causes similar symptoms. It's not poison cures poison. That's like saying to someone that just ingested arsenic "here's more it will cure you." LOL

 

[HapticSimian]

/snip

One last observation on Swa-'logic': it's water, ****wit.

 

[RiaX]

no hope for this oke ....

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

New video from CHL:

A must watch if you don't know exactly what homeopathy is all about.

[video=youtube_share;6dFYfeADX7g]http://youtu.be/6dFYfeADX7g[/video]

 

[Swa]

/snip

One last observation on Haptic-'logic': I could smell and taste the stuff it's NOT just water, ****wit.

 

[Aquadyne]

Enemies of reason...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0-NalmRSl8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[RiaX]

One last observation on Haptic-'logic': I could smell and taste the stuff it's NOT just water, ****wit.

lol they conned you good

 

[Swa]

They conned me with something that I could see, smell and taste and actually helped me while doctors just fed me antibiotics that made my teeth fall out and made me sick?

Yeah those modern doctors really did con us good, one wasn't even a real doctor.

 

[RiaX]

ok swa you got cured with raspberry juice thats nice

 

[Swa]

Yeah belief whatever you will. No amount of evidence will convince you from your delusions. In your narrow view of reality it's only your dangerous drugs that can have an effect.

 

[SlinkyMike]

They are scam artists. Nothing more and nothing less.

Homeopathy is one of the most pervasive and widespread scams in the world today. Here is one such evolutionary platypus(s) trying to explain how and why it works:

[video=youtube;R_y4-z-kDqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_y4-z-kDqQ[/video]

I'm so conflicted, she's really rather attractive - however she is bonkers.

Seriously though...
She knows she's lying. She is doing it deliberately. She has a very clear tell: every time she looks up and to the right she is engaging the right hemisphere of her brain. The creative side... watch again and watch how she does that as often as she takes a breath.

I'l lgo ahead and join the dots for you. Every time she takes a breath in that video, it is for the purpose of consciously attempting to deceive the people she is talking to.

Not hot.

 

[RiaX]

Yeah belief whatever you will. No amount of evidence will convince you from your delusions. In your narrow view of reality it's only your dangerous drugs that can have an effect.

LOL im afraid its not my narrow view, and im not the delusional one

 

[porchrat]

Swa can taste that homoeopathic solutions aren't just water?!? ROFL oh that is precious!

Swa also considers anecdotal evidence to be reliable, awesome. It just gets crazier and crazier with this dude. Give him some time and he will be up there with rza telling us raptors are living in Iran.

 

[Swa]

LOL im afraid its not my narrow view, and im not the delusional one

Keeping telling yourself that...

Swa can taste that homoeopathic solutions aren't just water?!? ROFL oh that is precious!

Swa also considers anecdotal evidence to be reliable, awesome. It just gets crazier and crazier with this dude. Give him some time and he will be up there with rza telling us raptors are living in Iran.

At least I'm not denying reality.

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/fda-warns-homeopathic-product-is-not-just-water/
Exposing the hypocrisy. In one breath they claim homeopathy cannot work and in the other they realise homeopathic remedies DO contain active ingredients. But the regulations itself has created a situation where only "remedies" that don't contain active ingredients are recognised as homeopathic.

 

[DrJohnZoidberg]

Keeping telling yourself that...


At least I'm not denying reality.

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/fda-warns-homeopathic-product-is-not-just-water/
Exposing the hypocrisy. In one breath they claim homeopathy cannot work and in the other they realise homeopathic remedies DO contain active ingredients. But the regulations itself has created a situation where only "remedies" that don't contain active ingredients are recognised as homeopathic.

Did you even read this article? It is because there is no proper testing done on this stuff.

It is a warning to the public because of schit like this:

Recently Zicam, a cold remedy some formulations of which were sold as “homeopathic”, were linked to anosmia (loss of the ability to smell). The products contained zinc compounds in a 1x or 2x dilution (x meaning 1:10 dilution – in homeopathic nomenclature “C” is a 1:100 dilution). This is hardly diluted at all – meaning there was actual active ingredient in the product.

 

[Swa]

Did you even read this article? It is because there is no proper testing done on this stuff.

It is a warning to the public because of schit like this:

Apparently you didn't. There's no proper testing because it's wrongly assumed that homeopathic medicine does not contain any active ingredients. The regulations are more relaxed than they are for vitamins. Quite ironic then that homeopathy is claimed not to work because of a made up definition that it shouldn't be able to work. But hey continue to live in your small little version of reality.

 

[porchrat]

Did you even read this article? It is because there is no proper testing done on this stuff.

It is a warning to the public because of schit like this:

The blog article just talks about how some people hitch a ride using the label homoeopathic in order to get their product straight to market with no testing.

Problem is that isn't what is meant by homoeopathic, that is just one legislative blunder. True homoeopathic solutions are just water. Which makes it even funnier when Swa claims to be able to taste that homoeopathic solutions aren't just water because he is either wrong in that it is in fact water or, even more hilarious, is wrong from the perspective that he can't tell actual homoeopathy from some other untested bullschit simply labelled as homoeopathic and he still swallows it like some sort of idiot. ROFL