Vista under fire

Sapphiron said:
Your numbers are a bit off, true that the Vista base is small (5-10% probably), but People tend to buy software when they buy a new PC, not that often halfway in between. About 50% of the PC sold today are sold with Vista (give or take a 10%).
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It would be interesting to find out how many of those installations are instantly abandoned in favour of XP Pro......
 
Sapphiron said:
Your numbers are a bit off, true that the Vista base is small (5-10% probably), but People tend to buy software when they buy a new PC, not that often halfway in between. About 50% of the PC sold today are sold with Vista (give or take a 10%).
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Warning, guestimate follows:

Vista is selling at the rate of 20 million copies per month. Some PC's are still being sold with XP (lets be kind and say 10 million).

Over the past 6 years, at worst, XP has been selling at an average of about 25 million copies per month. That gives us about 1850 million copies to date. Vista could only have sold 100 million copies to date. So at best Vista has about 5% market penentration if you exclude Macs, Linux, all old versions of Windows and the people who have uninstalled Vista for XP.

it sounds stupid to me that a software developer or hardware manufacturer would not put the extra effort in to make their stuff work on Vista.
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Sometimes that extra effort is not just a little but a lot. Thats not to say that people are not busy doing it but it takes time. Here are some of the problems:

1) Vista has bugs in the APIs. In some cases it has fixed bugs which now cause problems with software applications.
2) The UAC is causing a number of problems
3) Where applications store their data has changed completely. Although this may not sound like a big thing, it often is because of bad coding historically.
4) Aero and new shell controls needs to be catered for. A lot of development tools are not doing this just yet so it has to be done by hand.
5) Certain areas cannot be written to. So anyone who has an auto-update has to change the way their software works because the program folders can not be changed in the same way they used to.

There was a 4 month period in the beginning of the year where I could not sell HP printers, scanners and multifunction to my clients, because HP neglected to bring out Vista drivers. During that time Canon and Kyocera had working drivers for all their printers (new and old), even before Vista was released. they had drivers available for the beta versions too. I was a long time supporter of HP products, but due to their recent performance (or lack thereof), I switched my client to Canon and Kyocera products. Why could they do it and HP not???
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Because of the number of drivers HP had to convert, test, and sign. The whole driver system has changed completely so in a lot of cases, drivers had to be rewritten. This is not a simple task. I can assure you that guys like HP did not like the fact that they did not have drivers out there. At least they released drivers. Lexmark for example, did not create any drivers for discontinued products as far as I am aware of.
 
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I started dual booting Vista with XP some two months ago. Now I am using Vista 99% of the time.

Most of the arguments against Vista applied to all OS's released by Microsoft on their original released dates (except ME that was total crap). If these arguments are true most people should still be using win 95 or 98.
 
My one Dual boot Vista and XP with one license or do you need two licenses?

Regards,
 
Windows Me didnt gave me any problems. I also like Vista. Some of my games is faster on it than on xp. Dont like Linux. Have driver isues with it.
 
Skeptik said:
New games are out now "Vista Only".

Sooner or later, big brother MS is going to force us to upgrade. That's how they make such fat profits with such bad coding.
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I got caught with that one. Bought Halo 2 and decided to upgrade to Vista Ultimate to accommodate the game. Took me 4 days to sort the bugs out on my high end gaming rig. Sucked a few hundred megs of bandwidth updating drivers and still having teething problems.

Funny thing though, for a laugh I decided to load vista on an old socket 478 Intel board with minimum hardware specs and right from installation had it purring along without a hitch.
 
d-_-b said:
But what I would like to know now is may I run XP Pro and Vista of the same license?
Regards,
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The simple answer is NO

Microsoft Vista EULA:

2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS. Before you use the software under a license, you must assign that license to one device (physical hardware system). That device is the “licensed device.” A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate device.

a. Licensed Device. You may install one copy of the software on the licensed device. You may use the software on up to two processors on that device at one time. Except as provided in the Storage and Network Use (Ultimate edition) sections below, you may not use the software on any other device.

13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from.
 
Sapphiron said:
I believe Vista's main problem is that people are content and comfortable with XP. for the past 6 years, nobody had to learn something new, and everything worked without significant effort. it also does not help that the competing OS's are poor or only available on a mac. before you linux activists start flaming me, let me be clear:
1. linux is not user friendly enough
2. hardware support is poor (mainly because most manufacturers don't care about linux)

don't believe me, look at desktop OS market penetration.
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Trying to preempt flames from "linux activists" is no excuse for spouting patent untruths; your point on hardware support is incorrect and it's obvious from your post that you don't know enough about Linux to make such a sweeping statement. The point on user-friendliness is subjective, but at least it has some bearing on desktop market penetration.

Other than that people should use whatever OS they feel comfortable/get the job done with. I'll edit my text files, you play with Aero :p .
 
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