VMWare - Win7 X64

IRG said:
I was hoping that the XPSP3 OS was bundled in the Win7 DVD... didn't want to waste 500mb of my cap downloading something that might not work! :(
oh well download time again..... iBurst - 10% of cap gone for one download :sick:
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Maybe it is in the latest release?

Windows 7 to Feature XP Mode for Older Applications
Microsoft will include a feature that lets people run applications in a Windows XP mode on Windows 7 to ensure that applications not designed for the forthcoming OS can run on it, a company executive said Monday

http://www.cio.com/article/497099/Windows_7_to_Feature_XP_Mode_for_Older_Applications

Windows XP Mode and Windows Virtual PC downloads
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx
 
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I just read here http://www.chotocheeta.com/2009/05/...-windows-xp-mode-and-med-v-a-quick-over-view/

One more important feature and major development from VPC 2007 is support to access all major physical hardware under virtual environment. With Windows Virtual PC, an user can now access almost all possible USB devices and can use them, even if the host OS (Win7) is missing appropriate drivers of them.

You can now either seamlessly access the connected USB device (storage, printer, modem, etc) in both guest and host OS via Windows VPC or you can redirect the access only to the virtual environment by providing access of that USB device only to the virtual OS
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So what am I doing wrong?

Some more info... http://blogs.technet.com/windows_vpc/

Windows 7 is built to effectively address the application compatibility need, using the Application Compatibility features provided in-box. Windows XP Mode is an additional solution specifically targeting Windows XP application compatibility. It is a preconfigured VM, created using a pre-activated and sys-prepped copy of Windows XP SP3 in VHD file format. It will be made available on the Download Center as a separate EXE package containing a VHD (with XP SP3) for installing on Windows 7.
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So very doubtfull on it being on the Win7 disk :(
 
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IRG said:
VM Workstation is the best! Got it all working.... thanx to those who assisted!
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Which version are you running? I agree, workstation is by far the best; I guess you sometimes get what you pay for....
 
Conradl said:
Which version are you running? I agree, workstation is by far the best; I guess you sometimes get what you pay for....
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v6.5.2...

Man have I fallen out of IT reality!! I'm stunned at the VM capabilities! Really need to catch up again!
 
IRG said:
v6.5.2...

Man have I fallen out of IT reality!! I'm stunned at the VM capabilities! Really need to catch up again!
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What was it that you found so incredible? Was it the DX9 guest support, unity mode, or the record/playback feature? (this totally blew me away:))
 
Conradl said:
What was it that you found so incredible? Was it the DX9 guest support, unity mode, or the record/playback feature? (this totally blew me away:))
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Never ever used or played with any VM software, just the fact that I am able to run a 32bit OS environment within my 64bit Host OS, utilise USB devices with full sound support! I'm so stoked.... I can use my 3 grand casio keyboard again! and no reboot dual boot system. Eish... I likey, likey lot!
 
IRG said:
Never ever used or played with any VM software, just the fact that I am able to run a 32bit OS environment within my 64bit Host OS, utilise USB devices with full sound support! I'm so stoked.... I can use my 3 grand casio keyboard again! and no reboot dual boot system. Eish... I likey, likey lot!
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Yeah, I understand! I have been implementing various solutions for many years; never has any other product (or concept) had the pure WOW! factor of virtualisation.

There are many who believe it to be yet another IT buzzword - the truth is that one day hypervisors will be as common as the BIOS or mouse, i.e. every computer use will be using them....
 
VMware in itself is not "free" but some of the good Virtual appliances is.
 
I am Penguin said:
VMware in itself is not "free" but some of the good Virtual appliances is.
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VMWare is a big company with lots of products, and some are free. Most companies have free products; its a good time for the consumer :)

Type one hypervisor:
VMware VSphere4 (ESX) - Not free
VMWare ESXi - Free
MS Hyper V - Near free, you have to pay for the management tools
Citrix XenServer - 100% free, can be upgraded for HA etc at a cost.

Type two hypervisor:
VMware Workstation: Not free (the best)
VMware Server: Free (pretty crap)
MS Virtual PC: Free (total crap)
VirtualBox: Free (Pretty good, best free option for type two....)
 
Conradl said:
VMWare is a big company with lots of products, and some are free. Most companies have free products; its a good time for the consumer :)

Type one hypervisor:
VMware VSphere4 (ESX) - Not free
VMWare ESXi - Free
MS Hyper V - Near free, you have to pay for the management tools
Citrix XenServer - 100% free, can be upgraded for HA etc at a cost.

Type two hypervisor:
VMware Workstation: Not free (the best)
VMware Server: Free (pretty crap)
MS Virtual PC: Free (total crap)
VirtualBox: Free (Pretty good, best free option for type two....)
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I am testing VBox at the moment for a Linux development environment. MS VPC is a disaster (apart for the XP mode). I cannot get the Linux "Install integration components" working from CD install disk. Linux Ubuntu installs fine then thereafter all else fails.

Will the VMware virtual appliances also work on any VM software like Vbox or only on VMware?
 
The type of VM is not as important as the type of Vdisk. An appliance, or any VM, usually consists of some type of descriptor file (CPU info etc), and a vDisk.

Citrix and MS use a vdisk in an XVA and VHD format. VMWare uses a vmdk file. Do a search on MS and Citrix sites for the converter tool to convert the vdisk; not sure if there is one for VirtualBox....

To answer your question, no, a vmware appliance will not open natively on any other platform....
 
Conradl said:
The type of VM is not as important as the type of Vdisk. An appliance, or any VM, usually consists of some type of descriptor file (CPU info etc), and a vDisk.

Citrix and MS use a vdisk in an XVA and VHD format. VMWare uses a vmdk file. Do a search on MS and Citrix sites for the converter tool to convert the vdisk; not sure if there is one for VirtualBox....

To answer your question, no, a vmware appliance will not open natively on any other platform....
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So you cannot install Ubuntu 9.x on a VM unless you have the prepped Vdisk, a normal install does not work because it does not include the integration tools?
 
I'll agree with MS Virtual PC, it sux. This VM is seriously something big, how doff am I never even looking at it before. Now I got a bug up my a$$ to learn again!
 
I am Penguin said:
So you cannot install Ubuntu 9.x on a VM unless you have the prepped Vdisk, a normal install does not work because it does not include the integration tools?
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You can install Ubuntu on most VM platforms.

An appliance is simply preinstalled software in a virtual container that can be dowloaded and immediately booted. You should be able to install Linux on either the free VMWare server, or Workstation, or VirtualBox.

The specific template that you use when creating a new VM (windows, linux etc.) modifies the associated configuration file, and not the actual vdisk. There is no need to do anything to the vdisk, it is simply a RAW disk (although if you allocate all the space when creating the vdisk, performance will be 100 times quicker).
 
IRG said:
I'll agree with MS Virtual PC, it sux. This VM is seriously something big, how doff am I never even looking at it before. Now I got a bug up my a$$ to learn again!
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This is just the beginning. We already have things like ThinStall, ThinApp and a host of Application virtualisation products; no need to reinstall software - just copy a single file to your new machine and it starts with all your settings!

Project independence is a look at what things will be like in the future. Imagine a app running on bare metal; without an OS to eat resources, and without having to worry about applications conflicting with one another? You will be able to run a Mac OS, PC and Linux - at the same time, on the same hardware (i.e. not Windows host > Linux guest, but Hypervisor > Linux, Windows and Mac OS concurrenlty....):

http://www.citrix.com/English/ps2/products/feature.asp?contentID=1685500
 
Conradl said:
You can install Ubuntu on most VM platforms.

An appliance is simply preinstalled software in a virtual container that can be dowloaded and immediately booted. You should be able to install Linux on either the free VMWare server, or Workstation, or VirtualBox.

The specific template that you use when creating a new VM (windows, linux etc.) modifies the associated configuration file, and not the actual vdisk. There is no need to do anything to the vdisk, it is simply a RAW disk (although if you allocate all the space when creating the vdisk, performance will be 100 times quicker).
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I have problems (as said) getting Ubuntu 9.04 from iso. in MS VPC. I then tried VBox and it gives me better access settings to Mouse/KB,CDrom etc.

In MS VPC after the install I lost the CDrom and No Mouse?
 
Conradl said:
This is just the beginning. We already have things like ThinStall, ThinApp and a host of Application virtualisation products; no need to reinstall software - just copy a single file to your new machine and it starts with all your settings!

Project independence is a look at what things will be like in the future. Imagine a app running on bare metal; without an OS to eat resources, and without having to worry about applications conflicting with one another? You will be able to run a Mac OS, PC and Linux - at the same time, on the same hardware (i.e. not Windows host > Linux guest, but Hypervisor > Linux, Windows and Mac OS concurrenlty....):

http://www.citrix.com/English/ps2/products/feature.asp?contentID=1685500
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Damn ... u got a job for me ... I'm willing to learn!!!!
 
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