Vodacom 3G rules

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We signed a contract with vodacom for their 3G service towards the end of November 2007. In our first invoice, which has only just arrived on the last day of December (even if it was printed on the 3rd day of December) and includes our fees for both the end of November and December (which they don't tell you in the "when will I receive my first invoice" bit of information) we also got an informative piece of paper called 'Frequently Asked Questions'. Not sure why we didn't get this when our contract was approved.

Nonetheless, #7: Will Vodacom Limit ("CAP") my Monthly Data Usage? No. Plain and simple some would say.

Why can't they cap our usage? Somewhere else they say they will cap our usage once we've exceeded our 1Gig + an extra R1 250. This R1 250 works out to more or less another Gig, although the call centre staff refuses to tell you this and leave the difficult math to you.

Is this legal? There is nowhere in our contract where it says they are not allowed to cap our usage, so why does it appear in the FAQs? We would like our usage to be capped. We have not signed anything that says we do not want a cap on our usage, and even if we had, they would go ahead and cap our usage after we've donated an extra R1 250.

Is someone able to clear this up for me?

Thanks!
 
It is there to protect the user and vodacom.

I know of people with these wifi routers with the 3g card on it thats network was open and people used the 3g contract sim to over R10000.
And people who use bearshare and stuff like that ,but dont know how it works and left it open the whole month. 3G contact sim also over R10000.

Then the user blames vodacom and does not wanna pay.
 
We signed a contract with vodacom for their 3G service towards the end of November 2007. In our first invoice, which has only just arrived on the last day of December (even if it was printed on the 3rd day of December) and includes our fees for both the end of November and December (which they don't tell you in the "when will I receive my first invoice" bit of information) we also got an informative piece of paper called 'Frequently Asked Questions'. Not sure why we didn't get this when our contract was approved.

Nonetheless, #7: Will Vodacom Limit ("CAP") my Monthly Data Usage? No. Plain and simple some would say.

Why can't they cap our usage? Somewhere else they say they will cap our usage once we've exceeded our 1Gig + an extra R1 250. This R1 250 works out to more or less another Gig, although the call centre staff refuses to tell you this and leave the difficult math to you.

Is this legal? There is nowhere in our contract where it says they are not allowed to cap our usage, so why does it appear in the FAQs? We would like our usage to be capped. We have not signed anything that says we do not want a cap on our usage, and even if we had, they would go ahead and cap our usage after we've donated an extra R1 250.

Is someone able to clear this up for me?

Thanks!

I'm a bit lost here :)

Not sure if you're upset that you're being capped, or that you're NOT being capped?

Do you also want to be forced to dress in red, or be forced NOT to dress in red?? ;)

In any case, there is a capping system you can activate on your account if you don't trust yourself. Call 155 and ask about the soft-lock capability.
 
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Hallew

I don't know what hard capped means.

Also, I called 082 155 and the person I got through to said that I could only activate a cap / soft lock capability after having the account for 3 months. As far as she was concerned the extra R1 250 was a limit, a cap.

If the customer, i.e. ME, is unhappy with the limit and would actually prefer a lower limit, I think I should be able to request and receive it.

Vodacom is obviously CASHING IN on the R1.20 / MB after the initial 1 Gig. As it is my money, I would prefer a cap on my account after the first Gig has been reached. Another person I spoke to in the call centre said many customers were surprised with huge bills at the end of the month because of this system that is skewed in favour of vodacom.

It is vodacom's fault because:
1. they don't allow you to cap according to your finances within the first 3 months;
2. they don't provide you with easy accurate mechanisms to measure your usage (I only received this information with my first invoice, i.e. after I had used)
3. when you're granted the contract, the consultant doesn't tell you what your initial limit is, nor all the supposed ways to keep track of usage.

So, I get the impression that the people responding aren't understanding my query completely:

It doesn't state in my contract that I am not allowed to request a cap within the first 3 months, so if I want one, why can't I get it? This doesn't sound legal. basically, they are forcing me (this is where the forcing comes in, vodacom 3g) to use the internet kind of blindly and so spend more money than I would like to.

trying again ...
 
Hallew

I don't know what hard capped means.

Also, I called 082 155 and the person I got through to said that I could only activate a cap / soft lock capability after having the account for 3 months. As far as she was concerned the extra R1 250 was a limit, a cap.

If the customer, i.e. ME, is unhappy with the limit and would actually prefer a lower limit, I think I should be able to request and receive it.

Vodacom is obviously CASHING IN on the R1.20 / MB after the initial 1 Gig. As it is my money, I would prefer a cap on my account after the first Gig has been reached. Another person I spoke to in the call centre said many customers were surprised with huge bills at the end of the month because of this system that is skewed in favour of vodacom.

It is vodacom's fault because:
1. they don't allow you to cap according to your finances within the first 3 months;
2. they don't provide you with easy accurate mechanisms to measure your usage (I only received this information with my first invoice, i.e. after I had used)
3. when you're granted the contract, the consultant doesn't tell you what your initial limit is, nor all the supposed ways to keep track of usage.

So, I get the impression that the people responding aren't understanding my query completely:

It doesn't state in my contract that I am not allowed to request a cap within the first 3 months, so if I want one, why can't I get it? This doesn't sound legal. basically, they are forcing me (this is where the forcing comes in, vodacom 3g) to use the internet kind of blindly and so spend more money than I would like to.

trying again ...

Why don't you just stop using your data card when you reached your bundle end? :confused::confused:

Why do you need someone else to control you usage? It's like you don't trust yourself.

There are multiple checks in place where you can check and manage your own usage. Why don't you just use them? Your assumptions above are just plain wrong.
 
Cant you then just put a limit on ure money for the contract?
That should kill the usage.
Sorry i thought u were moaning that there was a limit and not the limit is too big.
 
Hallew

I don't know what hard capped means.

Also, I called 082 155 and the person I got through to said that I could only activate a cap / soft lock capability after having the account for 3 months. As far as she was concerned the extra R1 250 was a limit, a cap.

If the customer, i.e. ME, is unhappy with the limit and would actually prefer a lower limit, I think I should be able to request and receive it.

Vodacom is obviously CASHING IN on the R1.20 / MB after the initial 1 Gig. As it is my money, I would prefer a cap on my account after the first Gig has been reached. Another person I spoke to in the call centre said many customers were surprised with huge bills at the end of the month because of this system that is skewed in favour of vodacom.

It is vodacom's fault because:
1. they don't allow you to cap according to your finances within the first 3 months;
2. they don't provide you with easy accurate mechanisms to measure your usage (I only received this information with my first invoice, i.e. after I had used)
3. when you're granted the contract, the consultant doesn't tell you what your initial limit is, nor all the supposed ways to keep track of usage.

So, I get the impression that the people responding aren't understanding my query completely:

It doesn't state in my contract that I am not allowed to request a cap within the first 3 months, so if I want one, why can't I get it? This doesn't sound legal. basically, they are forcing me (this is where the forcing comes in, vodacom 3g) to use the internet kind of blindly and so spend more money than I would like to.

trying again ...

IMO, for number 1, they in fact do cap you in the first 3 months(The R1250 extra you can go over your limit). After that you can lower it. Its there to protect you. And its mandatory for the contract, so if you werent/arent happy with the terms and conditions, why did you sign it? And lack of info is from the consultant is not an excuse, yes its the consultants job to tell you what you need to know, but it sis also your job to find out stuff you WANT to know.

Number 2, There are many accurate ways to check your usage. Becoz you didnt know about them, is becoz you didnt ask about them, or ask ALL the options AVAILABLE for checking usage. Again, why did you sign the contract if you didnt find out all the relevant info? P.S. The first invoice is a Pro-Rata Invoice(as they call it), and the consultant shouldve explained to you what it is.

Number 3, again, and i cant stress this point enough... ask questions, do sufficient research, before signing a legally binding contract. And also, you cant blame Vodacom for the consultant's stuff up. If you werent happy with the info he gave you, you were free to call Vodacom direct to get info you need.

But it does state in your contract that you WILL BE CAPPED for the specified amount for the first 3 months, after that you allowed to make changes. Again, if you werent happy with the Terms and Conditions of the contract, why did you sign it?

And if you really want to have full control over your usage, you couldve gone the Prepaid Route. Its 100% effective, IMO. You cant tell me you didnt know about this either?
 
Iam3G: He is saying that it's not in his contract that he can't lower it and that he only received this information with his first invoice. It's also not always possible for the customer to regulate their usage, he may be sharing it with someone not as responsible as him or have it on a shared connection. I think he's more upset about the lack of clarity when signing up and being given the usual run around afterwards. If he can't lower it it's obviously not there to protect him, even the bank lets me lower or raise my withdrawal limit when I open the account.

Tigertail, if it's not in the contract that you can't lower the limit within the first 3 months you have every legal right to insist on it as Vodacom offers the "service". The R1250 is probably a default for new untrusted customers. Make sure the consultant actually understands your query and knows what they are talking about. The problem is still that they don't guarantee that you'll be limited when they actually should. The system is also up to 3 hours behind which prevents you from using your full bundle without going OOB (out of bundle). Prepaid is really the best option and you can get your data for cheaper. Perhaps enquire about your downgrading options and reduce it to the smallest bundle, 0MB would be preferable.
 
Iam3G: He is saying that it's not in his contract that he can't lower it and that he only received this information with his first invoice. It's also not always possible for the customer to regulate their usage, he may be sharing it with someone not as responsible as him or have it on a shared connection. I think he's more upset about the lack of clarity when signing up and being given the usual run around afterwards. If he can't lower it it's obviously not there to protect him, even the bank lets me lower or raise my withdrawal limit when I open the account.

Tigertail, if it's not in the contract that you can't lower the limit within the first 3 months you have every legal right to insist on it as Vodacom offers the "service". The R1250 is probably a default for new untrusted customers. Make sure the consultant actually understands your query and knows what they are talking about. The problem is still that they don't guarantee that you'll be limited when they actually should. The system is also up to 3 hours behind which prevents you from using your full bundle without going OOB (out of bundle). Prepaid is really the best option and you can get your data for cheaper. Perhaps enquire about your downgrading options and reduce it to the smallest bundle, 0MB would be preferable.

Understood.

But what i'm saying is, its kinda dumb to sign a legally binding contract, if you dont like what you're getting into.

If he got the info with his first invoice, he should go back to the consultant who helped him, becoz it was that consultants job to inform him about that.

Yes, it doesnt say he CANT lower it in the first 3 months, but it does say that for the first 3 months its a fixed "CAP" for all new customers, which in turn it actually DOES say that He cant lower it in the first 3 months :)
 
Thank you for all the responses and I finally feel that someone has understood me, viz. Prometheus.

In response to Iam3G (does that mean that you can implement my requests?):
1. as Prometheus clarified, although the contract says "In order to protect you from any 'surprises' (sic) in you (sic) Vodacom bill, all new Vodacom customers will be subject to a monthly data charge limit for the first 3 months. Please ask your Vodacom sales consultant to indicate what your monthly data charge limit will be."
This still does not state that I cannot request and cannot be granted my request to a limit other than the R1 250 limit, especially when my request is for a limit that is smaller than R1 250. I would like to be able to further protect myself from incurring the R1 250 or bits thereof. It doesn't say that I can't do that.

I think I need to point out that one does not necessarily understand all the implications of any contract when one signs it. This could be seen as "dumb" (as you say), or ill-informed, ignorant, whatever I suppose. But if it is dumb, I would wonder why fora such as this one exist. Probably because consumers know that big business holds the power and that we need ways to inform ourselves. Not having had 3G before November, I didn't even know this site existed, until I complained to a friend about vodacom's lack of clarity.

2. The consultant did explain that the first invoice would be pro-rata, but did not inform us of the amount, nor of how to find out. I didn't know that I had to ask how I would find out. I suppose I dumbly thought / expected that that would be part of the package. And there is a usage monitor with the package (which is not set for one's pro rate limit), but when I went back to the consultant after a few weeks' usage, I was told that it wasn't accurate and I should check online. When I checked online and then called 082 155, that consultant told me that the online usage monitoring system was only updated every 24 or 48 hours. Prometheus says 3 hours, so who am I to believe - either way, it's not accurate. This call centre consultant also told me that I could use the sim card in my phone and sms to a number to get a report. I don't know how accurate this would be - could you tell me, Iam3G? - nor how much this would cost. I am new to all of this, and as tried to explain in the previous paragraph don't always know what to ask.

3. I do blame vodacom for the consultant's stuff up - they employ the consultant, they need to train properly. If you blame me for my ignorance, I can blame vodacom for not having adequately prepared staff.

And you're right, if I wanted full control over my usage, I should have gone with the prepaid package, but unfortunately, I am going to tell you, even though you thought I couldn't that I didn't know about that option. Ignorance, dumbness ...

One signs a contract and doesn't always know what one is getting into. Not having loads of money, nor (back then, pre-Novmeber 2007) easy, regular access to the internet from home, which stems from not having loads of money, etc. ... Yes, we should all become more vigilant, but that's a function of one's time, money, etc. My ignorance, however, is still no excuse for vodacom's abuse of knowledge and not being upfront.

That being said, thanks Prometheus for answering my question, I will try to get the limit I want. Of course, I foresee resistance and ignorance from the call centre, so I may give up what with all the other things one needs to do to keep going ...

Thanks everyone.
 
Think the heading should have been.

VODACOM`S 3G RULES
 
Thank you for all the responses and I finally feel that someone has understood me, viz. Prometheus.

In response to Iam3G (does that mean that you can implement my requests?):
1. as Prometheus clarified, although the contract says "In order to protect you from any 'surprises' (sic) in you (sic) Vodacom bill, all new Vodacom customers will be subject to a monthly data charge limit for the first 3 months. Please ask your Vodacom sales consultant to indicate what your monthly data charge limit will be."
This still does not state that I cannot request and cannot be granted my request to a limit other than the R1 250 limit, especially when my request is for a limit that is smaller than R1 250. I would like to be able to further protect myself from incurring the R1 250 or bits thereof. It doesn't say that I can't do that.

I think I need to point out that one does not necessarily understand all the implications of any contract when one signs it. This could be seen as "dumb" (as you say), or ill-informed, ignorant, whatever I suppose. But if it is dumb, I would wonder why fora such as this one exist. Probably because consumers know that big business holds the power and that we need ways to inform ourselves. Not having had 3G before November, I didn't even know this site existed, until I complained to a friend about vodacom's lack of clarity.

2. The consultant did explain that the first invoice would be pro-rata, but did not inform us of the amount, nor of how to find out. I didn't know that I had to ask how I would find out. I suppose I dumbly thought / expected that that would be part of the package. And there is a usage monitor with the package (which is not set for one's pro rate limit), but when I went back to the consultant after a few weeks' usage, I was told that it wasn't accurate and I should check online. When I checked online and then called 082 155, that consultant told me that the online usage monitoring system was only updated every 24 or 48 hours. Prometheus says 3 hours, so who am I to believe - either way, it's not accurate. This call centre consultant also told me that I could use the sim card in my phone and sms to a number to get a report. I don't know how accurate this would be - could you tell me, Iam3G? - nor how much this would cost. I am new to all of this, and as tried to explain in the previous paragraph don't always know what to ask.

3. I do blame vodacom for the consultant's stuff up - they employ the consultant, they need to train properly. If you blame me for my ignorance, I can blame vodacom for not having adequately prepared staff.

And you're right, if I wanted full control over my usage, I should have gone with the prepaid package, but unfortunately, I am going to tell you, even though you thought I couldn't that I didn't know about that option. Ignorance, dumbness ...

One signs a contract and doesn't always know what one is getting into. Not having loads of money, nor (back then, pre-Novmeber 2007) easy, regular access to the internet from home, which stems from not having loads of money, etc. ... Yes, we should all become more vigilant, but that's a function of one's time, money, etc. My ignorance, however, is still no excuse for vodacom's abuse of knowledge and not being upfront.

That being said, thanks Prometheus for answering my question, I will try to get the limit I want. Of course, I foresee resistance and ignorance from the call centre, so I may give up what with all the other things one needs to do to keep going ...

Thanks everyone.

Number 1:

yes, it does not state that you cant change it, but it does state that for the first 3 months you are subject to that mandatory "DEFAULT CAP"(if you will), which tells me that(if i read that in my contract) it means that for the first 3 months you CANT change it.

There is one simple way of informing ourselves... its called asking questions. If you didnt know what was included in the package, or you didnt know what options there were to check usage, and if it is accurate or not, why didnt you just ask? Yes i admit, the consultant holds some responsibilty to tell you everything you need to know, but what he/she/they tell you is based on what you WANT to know.

I work in a Vodashop. I do the Data Support for the Store. When there are customers, i can basically hear what they are talking about. The consultants tell the customer what they need to know. And if the customers ASKS them something that they dont know, they call and find out, or sometimes they ask me. And when i sit the cutomers setting up their stuff, they ask me the same questions. And i clarify it for them. I even give them additional advice.

Number 2:

You dont always know what to ask? Everything that you are complaining about NOW is what you couldve asked. Are you elling me that you only thought about all this after you signed the contract?

IMO, the CDB's are accurate, just in a delay. I dont know why though, but i believe that Vodacom is striving to get it inline with the PPDB's. Keeping in mind that it in delay, i know I would watch my usage and keep track of how much i used. It may not show immediately on the System, but on the Dashboard(the application you use to connect, being VMCLite or VMC) it shows how much you used. It even shows how much you are using in a current session. If you are not "the dumb man" you say you are, surely you are clever enough to keep a record of that?

Number 3:

Vodacom doesnt employ all the consultants. Most of the Franchises are privately owned, so AFAIK Vodacom doesnt have full control of the staff. And the staff changes regularly, so most of the new faces dont know the in's and out's. IMO, some of them dont even know all the technical specifications, or even how to check usage, only how to sell you the product. Why should Vodacom take the hit for a ill-informed consultant not even employed by Vodacom?

Do you want Vodacom to feed you with a Spoon? Its like you saying you want a car salesman to drive your car for you after you have bought it. And lets say you sign the contract for a new car(from lets say a privately owned car dealership), and you find out that you were ill-informed from this ONE consultant, are you also going to blame the Manufacturer of the car for that ONE consultant's incompetence?

With that said, i do understand your frustration. All i'm trying to say is that you couldve just asked the things you are asking now. If that consultant couldnt your questions, you also couldve ASKED that consultant to find out for you before you signed that contract. You said you dont always know what to ask, but there is no such thing as a dumb question.

I hope you come right.
 
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