Vodacom Refuses to Explain R102/min bill.

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Vodacom's charge of R102 a minute for calls made via satellite from Madagascar to a ship at sea must be explained logically before he will pay, says Derek Serra of Cape Town.

"I am sure that an error has occurred during the billing procedure, but Vodacom staff seem uninterested in investigating the matter," he told Argus Action.

Vodacom said yesterday that calls originating from a cellphone and terminating on a satellite phone consisted of a roaming charge, the satellite termination charge, and Vodacom's handling fee.

"It is important to note that the charges levied to satellite phones fall outside the published Vodafone world flat rate per minute charges, which only apply when making calls to other cellphones or fixed lines," said Dot Field, chief communications officer at Vodacom.

But Serra says Vodacom's statement is "an admission that they charge a R60-a-minute handling fee for calls to satellite phones".

"I intend lodging an official complaint with ICASA (the Independent Communications Authority of SA), on the basis of gross overcharging by Vodacom" he said.

Serra has withheld R2 000 of his R5 800 bill from Vodacom. He said he was becoming increasing frustrated with the cellular company's refusal to explain what he described as "an apparent R60-a-minute markup' and this had convinced him to change to another network.

"I also intend exposing overcharging by Vodacom in an article I'm writing about porting, with the message being that there's never been a better time to roam from Vodacom to another network.

The contempt with which Vodacom treats its customers is shocking. After two months of trying to sort out the matter amicably, I have decided to move my business," he said.

Vodacom, meanwhile, has barred his phone, forcing him to use a pre-paid service.

This is the third time since the dispute that my service has been suspended. On the the previous two occasions, it was restored when I pointed out that the account was under investigation. Now someone in the accounts department has decided to bar my service altogether," he said.

Serra said he had calculated what Vodacom's roaming charges would be from Madagascar, in addition to the satellite charges for phoning his fiancee, who works on a ship at sea.

"Vodacom's website publishes the rate from Madagascar on Worldcall at R19 a minute, which already includes the standard markup. Satellite charges are R21.56 a minute from South Africa.

"Adding these figures up, I estimated a charge of roughly R40 to R45 a minute at most. But I was charged from R100.90 to R102.56 a minute," he said.

The only response from Vodacom to his several letters was a copy of a brief internal e-mail saying: "The customer needs to understand that calls to satellite are not billed at a flat rate as the other Worldcall bands ... These calls are charged at the foreign network charge, plus mark-up. I have looked at the customer's bill and we added our mark-up correctly"

In reply, Serra wrote asking Vodacom if the mark-up on the satellite portion of the call cost was R60.

A search of all published reference to such exorbitant call charges," he wrote. He said Vodacom's refusal to explain how it had calculated the charge has violated his consumer rights.

Instead of an explanation, he has been ordered to pay the full bill and, if an error was made, the overcharge would be refunded to him.

"I have gone to great lengths to try to get some sort of understanding of what is going on. They have never bothered to phone me. As a long-standing customer I have been treated badly .

"I think consumers anywhere in the world would query a bill for $15 a minute. I spend on average R1 000 a month on my Vodacom contract and have been doing that for the past 10 years. For a R2 000 dispute they are willing to lose their client," he said.

He plans to change his number and port my number to another service provider, because they inisist I owe them R2 000."

Field said it was standard practice to lock a cellphone until the debt was settled.
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Not surprising that its that expensive considering its from a sat phone, MTN charged me R50/min for roaming in Heathrow on normal cell networks a few years ago.
 
It seems all he wants is a legit & acceptable explanation and he will pay. If he is right in assuming (he seems to have had no explanation that the assumption is wrong) that the Voda markup is R60, that's disgusting!

Voda have no idea of how to treat their customers, never mind the long term or big spending ones!
 
I have said it before - Vodacom believe they have the right to bill with impunity.

This was the exact attitude I got from the billing department ........ hell I am sure even Pumzile can rent a private jet for cheaper than that rate.
 
I have said it before - Vodacom believe they have the right to bill with impunity.

This was the exact attitude I got from the billing department ........ hell I am sure even Pumzile can rent a private jet for cheaper than that rate.

Vodacom IS Telkom, so their attitude makes sense! :eek:

I've decided long ago to get rid of anything & everything Telkom in my house. :mad:

Now I'm free. :)

*Just sad Vodacom3G & Vodadeal is not working with MTNDD, Pitbull & Snakepit....I would like that. *cough*
 
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Not surprising that its that expensive considering its from a sat phone, MTN charged me R50/min for roaming in Heathrow on normal cell networks a few years ago.

Just remember it was R20 for ÂŁ1 a few years ago....
 
Vodacom IS Telkom, so their attitude makes sense! :eek:

I've decided long ago to get rid of anything & everything Telkom in my house. :mad:

Now I'm free. :)

*Just sad Vodacom3G & Vodadeal is not working with MTNDD, Pitbull & Snakepit....I would like that. *cough*
Furball? :D
 
What DOES worry me about this whole story, is the fact that the dude's girl friend was on a ship??

Why wasn't she busy in the kitchen? :)
 
My question is did Mr Derek Serra call vodacom and find out what the per min charge would be to call a sattelite phone. I call and ask about the charge if I'm dialing to a location I havent before to avoid issues like this.
 
My question is did Mr Derek Serra call vodacom and find out what the per min charge would be to call a sattelite phone. I call and ask about the charge if I'm dialing to a location I havent before to avoid issues like this.

Gunny, Derek Serra was horny & phoned his girl friend to ask her when she'll be wearing the new red lacy number that he bought her for Xmas - the last thing on his mind was to give Vodacom a ring. :o
 
So he got charged extra for phone sex ?

Seriously its like getting a quote before getting work done. I dunno it makes sense to me.
 
Lets put the cost into perspective someone here thats using MTN plz call and ask them what the costs to a sat phone will be if you roaming and are in Madagascar.
 
"I intend lodging an official complaint with ICASA (the Independent Communications Authority of SA), on the basis of gross overcharging by Vodacom" he said.

Good luck with that ;)
 
Ok let me start by saying the following.

If you roam and it's not business related, meaning your company or employer pay for it... There is no excuse for complaining. Given yes it's very expensive but why want to use your own number ?

Let me explain.

You use GPRS in SA... R 0.50 - R 2.00 per MB
U roam it varies from R 20.00 - R 180.00 per MB

U get a local pay as you go Sim in the country your in and BAM ! You save about 80% of what you would have been charged when roaming.

Another thing is this. You have access to check the roaming prices before you leave, why complain after you used it ?

This is just IMO. Use it don't use it
 
U get a local pay as you go Sim in the country your in and BAM ! You save about 80% of what you would have been charged when roaming.

Well, if i read correctly, we're talking about

a) Madagaskar
b) Making calls to a ship in the middle of the sea

So can one take a local operator in madagaskar and then call a sat-phone? Something tells me that might be a mission to set up.

Sure if i go to Europe i wouldn't bother with roaming, i get a local prepaid sim there and move on....but this case sounds a bit more rural to me [like being in the Sahara].
 
Vodacom's website publishes the rate from Madagascar on Worldcall at R19 a minute, which already includes the standard markup. Satellite charges are R21.56 a minute from South Africa.

There is the problem. As I understand, he was using his cellphone in Madagascar (roaming) to a Sat phone on a ship. The Sat charges mentioned and used in calculations are from SA, and not Madagascar
 
I find that trying to understand exactly what I am getting for my money from a telecoms service requires 2 rocket scientists and a mainframe. Everything is explained in telecoms technical terms which are easily misinterpreted by a layman.

Ever tried comparing contracts? Eish.

But then again, I guesss I'm just stupid.
 
I find that trying to understand exactly what I am getting for my money from a telecoms service requires 2 rocket scientists and a mainframe. Everything is explained in telecoms technical terms which are easily misinterpreted by a layman.

Ever tried comparing contracts? Eish.

But then again, I guesss I'm just stupid.

I must also be stupid, but in general I find it difficult to get straight and understandable answers from most companies (not only the cellular people).

It is even worse to get two people in most of these gigantic organisations to provide the same answer.

It is even worse to get any of these answers in writing.

The worst guy is the tax collector!:D
 
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