Vuvuzela

The Vuvuzela . . .

  • Music to my ears

    Votes: 24 11.5%

  • Hate 'em

    Votes: 144 68.9%

  • They dont really bother me

    Votes: 41 19.6%
  • Total voters
    209
Read a smart compromise comment on an international forum this morning. The suggestion was that the vuvuzela be banned at all games EXCEPT the games involving SA at the world cup.

I think thats fair enough.

Remember the ICC banned musical intruments at the cricket world cup in the Windies, besides the expensive tickets it was part of the reason the fans boycotted the tournament. Carribean cricket is known for it's atmosphere at the games, FIFA shouldn't make the same mistake by being too dictatorial.

EDIT: The ironic thing is the next world cup in Brazil will be loud as hell too as their fans use air horns too but I'll admit they don't blow their air horns for the whole 90 minutes and sing and play drums more :p
 
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HypoThesis said:
Read a smart compromise comment on an international forum this morning. The suggestion was that the vuvuzela be banned at all games EXCEPT the games involving SA at the world cup.

I think thats fair enough.

Remember the ICC banned musical intruments at the cricket world cup in the Windies, besides the expensive tickets it was part of the reason the fans boycotted the tournament. Carribean cricket is known for it's atmosphere at the games, FIFA shouldn't make the same mistake by being too dictatorial.

EDIT: The ironic thing is the next world cup in Brazil is equally as loud but I'll admit they don't blow their air horns for the whole 90 minutes :p
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+1

I can live with that.
 
Sly21C said:
The following is a reply from me to one of your posts.



If it is found that soccer fans from around the world will not be attending next year's world cup games, and FIFA decides to ban vuvuzelas, then I will support FIFA. The point I was trying to make is that SAFA/FIFA won't all of a sudden change and ban vuvuzelas because a few people like DJ find them annoying. They will ban them if a majority of soccer fans find them annoying, in this case, that means international soccer fans from 31 countries. Blatter said a few times that vuvuzelas are the South African way of doing things, he did admit that they are noisy (I also admit that they are noisy, but I don't find them annoying) but he never said they annoyed him.

You get me now?

And lastly, why must they be banned because DJ finds them annoying? What makes you so special? Are you some kind of general secretary of the European/International soccer supporters group that we don't know about?
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Firstly, I am not the only one. That is indicated by the poll which is vastly in favour of banning them.

Secondly, just because Mr Splatter says so, doesn't make it correct. I'm voicing an opinion. The fact that it differs with Splatter is probably indicative of it being correct, if history is anything to go by.

Thirdly, it's not about them not attending - it's about them not enjoying the WC to the fullest. We plan to host the best WC to date - well so far that was germany, who most certainly didn't have this type of negativity leading up to the event. We are already on the back-foot. It's about ensuring fans return to SA - this isn't a quick win - you have to think longer term. People's perceptions are what determines whether or not they go somewhere - if they leave here thinking they could have had a better time elsewhere, well then they aint coming back - simple as that. Maybe I'm digging too deep into this, but I really believe that I compromise needs to be found.

I'm not the only one - international fans are complaining - there is very little in the way of international support for the vuvuzela - the comment about when in Rome is flawed because the vuvuzela plays no part in our football heritage/culture as has been posted and ignored on numerous occasions - they serve no purpose apart from making a noise - they have been identified as potential health and safety hazards - do I have to carry on?

So far the only defense for their existence is that they are South African. Well so what? Is there any actual plausible reason for blowing on a vuvuzela? Give me some reasons as to why they should stay and I might change my mind - but this "because they are South African" response is rubbish. Vetkoeks are also South African - if we threw vetkoeks at each other during games, would you defend that too, because it's "South African"?
 
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I like your comment

Just_Ice said:
They are african. I am an african. Therefore I like them :D
The commentators on the other hand... the above does not apply. I cant stand them. They dont shut up! And they scream over the microphones! MICROPHONES people!
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What is the sudden fuss about the vuvuzela....I watch international soccer when the teams I support play like "Spurs and Arsenal, the crowds scream when necessary, this is not England/Manchester/Spain etc this is South Africa, and African people are jovial, imagine an African person from South Africa watching a soccer match in silence mmmmmmmmm
 
Illegal, broken-down taxis are distinctly South African. If you don't go to a match in a taxi, you are being anti-South African.

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I didn't know it felt that good to generalise.:D
 
Maybe if we ask every single supporter to bring a vuvuzela on saturay we can actually blow spain into submission seeing as their players don't like it. All they'd have to do is let us know and the noise stops. Or everytime they get the ball we blow harder.
 
DJ... said:
Firstly, I am not the only one. That is indicated by the poll which is vastly in favour of banning them.
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Which poll? This one? Less than 200 people voted on this poll, do they represent the entire SA soccer loving, local match attending fans? Before the elections, we voted (here on mybb) which party we support, guess what? There was an overwhelming number of DA supporters, but guess what again? ANC won in real life. I'm not trying to make this about politics or racism, I'm simply pointing out that you can't say just because 200 people hate vuvuzelas that FIFA must ban them.

DJ... said:
Secondly, just because Mr Splatter says so, doesn't make it correct. I'm voicing an opinion. The fact that it differs with Splatter is probably indicative of it being correct, if history is anything to go by.

Thirdly, it's not about them not attending - it's about them not enjoying the WC to the fullest. We plan to host the best WC to date - well so far that was germany, who most certainly didn't have this type of negativity leading up to the event. We are already on the back-foot. It's about ensuring fans return to SA - this isn't a quick win - you have to think longer term. People's perceptions are what determines whether or not they go somewhere - if they leave here thinking they could have had a better time elsewhere, well then they aint coming back - simple as that. Maybe I'm digging too deep into this, but I really believe that I compromise needs to be found.

I'm not the only one - international fans are complaining - there is very little in the way of international support for the vuvuzela - the comment about when in Rome is flawed because the vuvuzela plays no part in our football heritage/culture as has been posted and ignored on numerous occasions - they serve no purpose apart from making a noise - they have been identified as potential health and safety hazards - do I have to carry on?
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I think this debate between you and me is about if international soccer fans will pitch/enjoy next year's world cup on not, I say they will pitch and will enjoy the world cup next year because they will realise that this is South Africa and things are different here, they will realise that vuvuzelas are blown over here and they will adapt. I saw on the news on Monday, some USA kid who was at the stadium for the USA/Italy game said he expected elephants and lions, and he wasn't joking, that tells me that people from overseas know that SA is different to their countries and will probably try and enjoy themselves.

If, however, overwhelming evidence and proof and fact is found to prove me wrong, prove to me that overseas fans will not enjoy next year's world cup as a result of vuvuzelas, then I will support it if they (vuvuzelas) are banned from matches.

DJ... said:
So far the only defense for their existence is that they are South African. Well so what? Is there any actual plausible reason for blowing on a vuvuzela? Give me some reasons as to why they should stay and I might change my mind - but this "because they are South African" response is rubbish. Vetkoeks are also South African - if we threw vetkoeks at each other during games, would you defend that too, because it's "South African"?
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This is one of my posts to you once again

I'm obviously not going to tolerate it if our local soccer spectators burn a stadium at every game, that's unacceptable. But a vuvuzela? Come on! No one is forcing you to listen to the "annoying bee like" noise that local soccer matches produce.
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I think the best thing you can do is attend one match, go to the Spain/SA game this weekend, with an open mind and an ear plug if you wish and try and enjoy the atmosphere at the stadium, you just might come out a changed man. ;)
 
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Sly, I've been to local matches with vuvuzelas - I was at the chiefs pirates game at Ellis Park about 2 months ago. I loved the atmosphere - I hated the vuvuzelas. The crowds were singing, chanting, dancing (some weird but wonderful dances) - the vuvuzelas weren't as bad as they are during these games - probably because there is not much else going on apart from them.

I'm bored with the rest of the debate though. I'm just going to land up repeating myself, as are you. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one then...;)
 
DJ... said:
Firstly, I am not the only one. That is indicated by the poll which is vastly in favour of banning them.
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No, the majority of a very small sample on the poll said they don't like them - not that they'd ban them.

DJ... said:
I'm not the only one - international fans are complaining - there is very little in the way of international support for the vuvuzela - the comment about when in Rome is flawed because the vuvuzela plays no part in our football heritage/culture as has been posted and ignored on numerous occasions - they serve no purpose apart from making a noise - they have been identified as potential health and safety hazards - do I have to carry on?
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Quite obviously the vuvuzela is part of of our football culture, or we wouldn't be having this conversation. You can argue that it has only been around for ten or however many years, but that isn't really relevant - it is part of our football culture in that it is at all our local games.

DJ... said:
Vetkoeks are also South African - if we threw vetkoeks at each other during games, would you defend that too, because it's "South African"?
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Throwing vetkoek? Nice try, but let's not use a straw man.

I think it is great that our football has its own character. If there are concerns from the players about being able to hear each other on the pitch, or from TV stations about noise levels, those should be considered. But this is not Europe, and we don't need to emulate European crowds.
 
Sly21C said:
Which poll? This one? Less than 200 people voted on this poll, do they represent the entire SA soccer loving, local match attending fans? Before the elections, we voted (here on mybb) which party we support, guess what? There was an overwhelming number of DA supporters, but guess what again? ANC won in real life. I'm not trying to make this about politics or racism, I'm simply pointing out that you can't say just because 200 people hate vuvuzelas that FIFA must ban them.
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True.
The majority of people on mybb voted for DA(as you stated) but there is a real world outside of mybb.The real world wants and brings vuvzelas to matches.
They wanted vuvuzelas banned but they changed their minds.Could you imagine a south african football match without vuvzelas?I wish people would just stop trying to find fault witth us hosting the games.They said australia would get it because SA is s***,that failed.Now they are nitpicking on attendances and vuvuzela.
 
DJ... said:
Sly, I've been to local matches with vuvuzelas - I was at the chiefs pirates game at Ellis Park about 2 months ago. I loved the atmosphere - I hated the vuvuzelas. The crowds were singing, chanting, dancing (some weird but wonderful dances) - the vuvuzelas weren't as bad as they are during these games - probably because there is not much else going on apart from them.

I'm bored with the rest of the debate though. I'm just going to land up repeating myself, as are you. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one then...;)
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Cool! Agree to disagree it is then.:)

*Takes his vuvuzela and hugs it*

:D
 
Why Are They Playing Footy in a Beehive?

Left to it's own devices its a harmless plastic horn that makes a generally annoying sound. Placed in the hands of 50,000+ South Africans in a semi-confined space and get ready to fight urges to commit suicide. Just turn on a Confederations Cup match, preferably one in which South Africa is participating to get the full effect, and you'll understand.

The vuvuzela is no stranger to controversy. Criticized by many as being annoying and distracting, these plastic noise making nightmares have been banned in stadiums across the world...and rightfully so. The sounds coming from these heinous horns is awful, it's annoying, it's distracting...it's like nails on a chalkboard! What's worse for ESPN and their advertisers, these lousy lepatatas make me, and many other I imagine, want to turn of my television!
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full article...

seems to have become quite an emotional subject with very strongly voiced opinions
 
Who cares,do I like the insulting chants in english football?No,but I put up with it because its part of their game.
 
If it costs Fifa ratings it will be banned, if not then the vuvuzela is here to stay.
 
If you've tuned in to any of this summer's Confederations Cup matches you'll be familiar - painfully, obsessively familiar - with the sound of the vuvuzela. You know the one...buuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

The vuvuzela is a long (now plastic) horn which can be found in the stadia of South Africa in huge numbers this summer, creating a cacophony to rival anything you'd have to tolerate at a Glasvegas concert. My god, they're ****.

It sounds like a swarm of bees, a trio of hellish street hockey playing teenagers or an over-excitable speedway crowd and it's bloody irritating. Reading through the posts of my Twitter folk during the matches predictably throws up hundreds of posts about the dreaded vuvuzela, and more importantly the fact that it will undoubtedly be the sound of the summer when the World Cup rolls into South Africa in 2010.

People around the world are queuing up to call for the instrument to be banned next summer because of how utterly annoying it is. Ginge eloquently makes one such call.

But I'm going to go against the grain and say NO! Don't ban the vuvuzela! Here's why.

It was initially banned for this tournament by FIFA on the grounds that it could be used as an offensive weapon - I think they meant physically rather than aurally. However, the South African FA won a reprieve on the basis that it is an essential part of South African football culture. And that's the point on which I'd like to focus:

I spend a huge amount of my spare time whining about how the Premier League is eroding my football culture. I'm not going to moan about somebody else's.

But...

I do think it would be funny if, by World Cup 2010, the word 'vuvuzelas' has replaced 'bollocks' in at least some conversations you have - hence the picture in the corner.
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http://www.twofootedtackle.com/
 
theratman said:
True.
The majority of people on mybb voted for DA(as you stated) but there is a real world outside of mybb.The real world wants and brings vuvzelas to matches.
They wanted vuvuzelas banned but they changed their minds.Could you imagine a south african football match without vuvzelas?I wish people would just stop trying to find fault witth us hosting the games.They said australia would get it because SA is s***,that failed.Now they are nitpicking on attendances and vuvuzela.
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Not the majority of people that are going to be watching 2010 games, I'm afraid ;)
 
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