Vuvuzela

The Vuvuzela . . .

  • Music to my ears

    Votes: 24 11.5%

  • Hate 'em

    Votes: 144 68.9%

  • They dont really bother me

    Votes: 41 19.6%
  • Total voters
    209
If they dont like the vuvuzela then they shouldn't host the damn tournament here in the first place.Simple as.

I like this comment from goal.com
The Vuvuzela is here to stay for one simple reason, the tournament is in south africa so it needs a south african feel to it. If you watch local soccer hands you would understand more. I personally used to hate it until i blew at a pirates game and i have not looked back. It makes the atmosphere the same way other people use flares and chants.when in rome do as the romans do thus when in sa blow a vuvuzela.
 
Fern9do said:
If they dont like the vuvuzela then they shouldn't host the damn tournament here in the first place.Simple as.

I like this comment from goal.com
The Vuvuzela is here to stay for one simple reason, the tournament is in south africa so it needs a south african feel to it. If you watch local soccer hands you would understand more. I personally used to hate it until i blew at a pirates game and i have not looked back. It makes the atmosphere the same way other people use flares and chants.when in rome do as the romans do thus when in sa blow a vuvuzela.
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See, I knew you could do it. No gross generalizations there. Top form.
 
If the vuvuzelas will distract the opposition and lead to BB winning the Confed cup and WC, then Viva vuvus.
 
sly21 - I won't debate with you until you actually read the thread and stop making sweeping generalisations that anyone complaining doesn't watch local football or attend the matches. That's the premise of your argument and it's flawed. As much as I used to dislike the local game, I now get free tickets to many of the games and have entertained clients at a few already. It's a silly argument to try put forward...
 
DJ... said:
stop making sweeping generalisations that anyone complaining doesn't watch local football or attend the matches. T
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I'll take a bet that the good majority of those complaining are only doing so now because of the Confed Cup.
 
capetownguy said:
I'll take a bet that the good majority of those complaining are only doing so now because of the Confed Cup.
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Even if that were true - does that make their opinion mean any less than a more avid local football fan? Should we measure opinion merits based on support-quotas? It's a silly argument. In fact what that means (if it is true) is that the confed cup is attracting supporters to our local game, who would ordinarily not give a damn. I heard my neighbours cheering for the 1st and second SA goals last night - I've never heard them cheer for anything but rugby before.

It's an opportunity to be embraced - not an opportunity to tell people to "shove it" because it's a part of a culture you do not understand. That's how to further isolate support, not garner it. That's overlooking the fact that vuvuzelas are not a part of our football culture - they're a recent introduction which serve no purpose. What makes them so popular? They are loud and cheap - and they come across that way too...
 
Spanish soccer star Xabi Alonso has called for the vuvuzela to be banned from the 2010 Fifa World Cup.

"Those trumpets? That noise I don't like," he said on Wednesday. "Fifa must ban those things. It is not distracting but it is not nice to have a noise like that."

However, Fifa president Sepp Blatter said on Wednesday the world soccer body had no plans to stop South African fans from blowing vuvuzelas at the Confederations Cup or during the 2010 World Cup finals.

'That is what African and South African football is all about'
He was responding to a suggestion from a Dutch journalist at a special media briefing at the Royal Ba***eng Stadium in Rustenberg on Wednesday night that the vuvuzela, which made a "terrible noise", be scrapped.

Blatter just smiled and said he agreed it was a noisy instrument.

"But that is what African and South African football is all about - noise, excitement, dancing, shouting and enjoyment. This is a celebration."

Chief executive of the local organising committee, Danny Jordaan, said with tongue in cheek: "Our fans blow their vuvuzelas before the match. Maybe because they know that they might not be celebrating afterwards."

Blatter admitted that vuvuzelas affected television broadcasts and said Fifa would look into the matter but there were no plans to ban vuvuzelas.

Meanwhile Alonso's team mate, Albert Riera, said he was impressed by the singing of the crowd in Mangaung on Wednesday night, where Spain beat Iraq 1-0
 
Fern9do said:
Spanish soccer star Xabi Alonso has called for the vuvuzela to be banned from the 2010 Fifa World Cup.

"Those trumpets? That noise I don't like," he said on Wednesday. "Fifa must ban those things. It is not distracting but it is not nice to have a noise like that."
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Damn it! I was hoping it was! I would have been handing them out on saturday! :o
 
DJ... said:
Even if that were true - does that make their opinion mean any less than a more avid local football fan? Should we measure opinion merits based on support-quotas? It's a silly argument. In fact what that means (if it is true) is that the confed cup is attracting supporters to our local game, who would ordinarily not give a damn. I heard my neighbours cheering for the 1st and second SA goals last night - I've never heard them cheer for anything but rugby before.

It's an opportunity to be embraced - not an opportunity to tell people to "shove it" because it's a part of a culture you do not understand. That's how to further isolate support, not garner it. That's overlooking the fact that vuvuzelas are not a part of our football culture - they're a recent introduction which serve no purpose. What makes them so popular? They are loud and cheap - and they come across that way too...
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I believe that majority rules, I also believe that someone should always adapt to a culture of someone else they seek work or business from. I'm not going to go to China for example and expect them to change their way of doing things for me. I'm not going to go to Dubai for work and expect their "sex before marriage" laws to change for me or a few people. I'm not going to go and work in an organization and wear my jeans and T-shirt but then the dress code for that organization is strictly formal, it doesn't work like that.

If you want to support local soccer, adapt and tolerate a vuvuzela, otherwise "shove it", as you have put it. While watching the game last night, I saw scenes of "white" people and "Indian" spectators holding vuvuzelas and trying to blow them. That tells me that they are at least trying to adapt to the way local soccer fans are doing things. I'm obviously not going to tolerate it if our local soccer spectators burn a stadium at every game, that's unacceptable. But a vuvuzela? Come on! No one is forcing you to listen to the "annoying bee like" noise that local soccer matches produce.

Do you really want them banned so that you and a few hundred people (or a minority of people) can attend matches? Do you really want thousands upon thousands of soccer fans to leave their vuvuzelas at home just for you? What makes you so special?
 
They need to regulate it for use when there is a goal scored or missed or injury or somehting.. not the whole freaking game! :(
 
nivek said:
http://www.news24.com/Content/Colum...b9a917ff8d6/07-02-2005 11-02/Ban_the_vuvuzela

An old article from Jon Qwelane, hes well hated but makes alot of sense here.. the vuvuzela isnt a part of SA football history
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From the article.

The whistling and chanting was so evocative, especially when a goal was scored or brilliantly saved by the acrobatic moves of goalkeeping gurus like Jimmy Bene or Patson "Kamuzu" Banda.

Goose pimples were in order on such occasions, which were many in the days when football was played for its sake.

Nowadays, there is an instrument from hell, called the vuvuzela, which has largely formed my decision to abandon all live games and rather watch on TV, with the sound totally muted.
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If only people listened to John Qwelane back then.
 
Sly21C said:
I believe that majority rules, I also believe that someone should always adapt to a culture of someone else they seek work or business from. I'm not going to go to China for example and expect them to change their way of doing things for me. I'm not going to go to Dubai for work and expect their "sex before marriage" laws to change for me or a few people. I'm not going to go and work in an organization and wear my jeans and T-shirt but then the dress code for that organization is strictly formal, it doesn't work like that.
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Sly, we are the ones expecting business from them - you've got this all back to front.

Quick example - many local companies have outsourced to Indian companies - this results in Indian employees being based locally. Now what you will find in business, is that those expecting to do business with the local Indian representatives will quickly learn about the hierarchal structure in place and will adapt - it's not up to the Indians to adapt to us.

Same applies - we are expecting business from the tourists, not the other way around. Refer to my previous post about Germany's success - have you watched the documentary about their WC and what made it successful? It was adapting to make all countries feel comfortable and welcome. Blasting vuvuzelas over a team's own songs is far from making them feel welcome.

The rest of your post I snipped because it's based on assumption, upon assumption of assumption. You really need to start arguing from the basis of fact and not personal assumptions...
 
DJ... said:
It's an opportunity to be embraced - not an opportunity to tell people to "shove it" because it's a part of a culture you do not understand. That's how to further isolate support, not garner it. That's overlooking the fact that vuvuzelas are not a part of our football culture - they're a recent introduction which serve no purpose. What makes them so popular? They are loud and cheap - and they come across that way too...
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I would embrace the destinct African culture whole-heartedly ... if it weren't laden with crap like this.
 
I am trying to figure out what is all the fuss about the vuvuzela being blown at soccer games, this has been going on for sometime now it never bothered people in the past, it is an irritation, I work with someone who has his own vuvuzela and has been practising on it, and to answer your silent question "no he is not black", this is South Africa and I promise you the majority of soccer supporters who are African and not going to adapt to the change of watching a soccer game in silence. Like the saying goes "when in Rome do as the romans do"

If FIFA bans it well and good but it is going to create a stir has people thought about that, soccer fans from South Africa might even decide to boycott the games should the vuvuzela be banned, just my opinion
 
DJ... said:
Sly, we are the ones expecting business from them - you've got this all back to front.

Quick example - many local companies have outsourced to Indian companies - this results in Indian employees being based locally. Now what you will find in business, is that those expecting to do business with the local Indian representatives will quickly learn about the hierarchal structure in place and will adapt - it's not up to the Indians to adapt to us.

Same applies - we are expecting business from the tourists, not the other way around. Refer to my previous post about Germany's success - have you watched the documentary about their WC and what made it successful? It was adapting to make all countries feel comfortable and welcome. Blasting vuvuzelas over a team's own songs is far from making them feel welcome.

The rest of your post I snipped because it's based on assumption, upon assumption of assumption. You really need to start arguing from the basis of fact and not personal assumptions...
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The following is a reply from me to one of your posts.

I will support FIFA if they ban vuvuzelas after if it is found that next year's world cup will be in jeopardy as a result of many foreigners not planning to pitch. But I personally don't think FIFA should ban them because of you and a few people who've never attended a local soccer match.
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If it is found that soccer fans from around the world will not be attending next year's world cup games, and FIFA decides to ban vuvuzelas, then I will support FIFA. The point I was trying to make is that SAFA/FIFA won't all of a sudden change and ban vuvuzelas because a few people like DJ find them annoying. They will ban them if a majority of soccer fans find them annoying, in this case, that means international soccer fans from 31 countries. Blatter said a few times that vuvuzelas are the South African way of doing things, he did admit that they are noisy (I also admit that they are noisy, but I don't find them annoying) but he never said they annoyed him.

You get me now?

And lastly, why must they be banned because DJ finds them annoying? What makes you so special? Are you some kind of general secretary of the European/International soccer supporters group that we don't know about?
 
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