War over iBurst tower erupts

[Gekco]

Well clearly there is discrepancy between what yourself and iBurst on the one hand and Residents, Debbie, Halicon etc. claim on the other hand on a vast range of issues.
Each of you have their own version of events and 'proof'.

I would like to get to the bottom of this as much as the next person and hence part of the reason for this discussion.

I have to agree with Marine1 that the court will probably be the only way to get some kind of resolution on this issue.

 

[jannievanzyl]

Well clearly there is discrepancy between what yourself and iBurst on the one hand and Residents, Debbie, Halicon etc. claim on the other hand on a vast range of issues.
Each of you have their own version of events and 'proof'.

I would like to get to the bottom of this as much as the next person and hence part of the reason for this discussion.

I have to agree with Marine1 that the court will probably be the only way to get some kind of resolution on this issue.

Answer this, if you don't mind;

Have you looked at the documentation on file, and if so, what problems do you see?

As someone who "would like to get to the bottom of this as much as the next person", I would like to think you would actually examine the evidence before coming to a conclusion. No?

Or are you basing your views on what others, who have NOT looked at the documentation themselves, tell you?

 

[happychappy]

I have a question, if military radar towers can "cook" nesting birds why do most people think that these large and usually more powerful towers are completely harmless?

 

[upup]

Iburst, tell this people that complain that when they sell their houses, they can claim they stay near a Iburst tower, and their will be good internet for them.

Ask these people if they got microwave ovens and cellphones.

Neotel is also going to erect more towers.

I work on this towers, and sometime working on a antenna next to us.
One off my colleagues complaint that when he talks for long times on the cellphone [30min] he gets a headache.

 

[Gekco]

/Gets some popcorn and waits for Carte Blance

 

[jannievanzyl]

I have a question, if military radar towers can "cook" nesting birds why do most people think that these large and usually more powerful towers are completely harmless?

Can you please post the information showing these towers are "usually more powerful than military radar towers"?

While you're at it, throw in a picture or two of these 'cooked birds'.

 

[Necuno]

Can you please post the information showing these towers are "usually more powerful than military radar towers"?

While you're at it, throw in a picture or two of these 'cooked birds'.

maybe its these birds

 

[jannievanzyl]

maybe its these birds

Another one of these urban legends we often hear is that bees disappear when the towers go up. I see Dorny made the same claim in the Star.

Funny thing though; one of the biggest 'health hazards' the engineers face when working on the towers are bee stings!

Seems the bees really love nesting on the towers.

 

[Sackboy]

Can you please post the information showing these towers are "usually more powerful than military radar towers"?

While you're at it, throw in a picture or two of these 'cooked birds'.

Jannie, once again you go on the offensive, even bringing me into your attack. This is not going to help you one iota - and that's a promise. As a CEO you have to behave in a better, more mature way - surely your advisors have told you that?

And if you're going to dispute the dangers of military/civilian radar, then you have lost the argument already and are going to tread on my toes once again.

 

[noxibox]

Not if you think it through... Natural radiation from Outer space, and caused by mother earth will be inherently safe to us due to the fact that we evolved with them being around us.

That's not inherently the case at all. Take the sun as a good example.

 

[noxibox]

In one study, a new analysis of data collected by the National Cancer Institute's nationwide cancer surveillance program, researchers at the National Institute on Aging in Bethesda, Md., have determined that among people over the age of 75, the incidence of brain tumorsmore than doubled from 1968 to 1985, the last year for which statistics are available. For people over 80, the rate of increase was even more shocking, soaring by 300 percent to 400 percent over the 17-year period, or by as much as 23 percent a year. ''Better diagnosis can explain some of the rise,'' said Dr. Stanley I. Rapoport, chief of the laboratory of neuroscience at the Institute and the main author of the new report, which is to be published in The Journal of the National Cancer Institute. ''But something else is going on as well. Brain cancer in the elderly deserves more attention.''

It's hard to know what these numbers mean. As stated they tell us nothing. Do they mean that previously there were, as an example, 1 in 1000 brain tumours in those over 80, but now there are 3 in 1000? Or perhaps that there are more cases of brain tumours without taking into account that there are potentially more people over 80. Does this mean more people over 80 are getting sick or dying in general or were they previously dying of something else, but now it is brain tumours?

In my experience when numbers like 300% increase are used for rates of disease it's because the incidence is so low that stating the actual numbers would have no impact on the reader. I had a 1 in a million chance of dying and now it's 3 in a million, oooh, scary. 300% sounds big and scary.

 

[jannievanzyl]

Jannie, once again you go on the offensive, even bringing me into your attack. This is not going to help you one iota - and that's a promise. As a CEO you have to behave in a better, more mature way - surely your advisors have told you that?

And if you're going to dispute the dangers of military/civilian radar, then you have lost the argument already and are going to tread on my toes once again.

Maybe read the posts again before jumping to (the wrong) conclusions.

happychappy said wireless data towers such as iBurst's are more powerful than milatary radar systems. I asked for his data for his statement. Simple request. Why do you try and derail it?

If you agree with him, why don't you post the requested information instead of trying to go off topic.

Furthermore, if you have any information that military radar systems 'cook' birds, please post it here.

You do have such information, I assume?

 

[upup]

Can you please post the information showing these towers are "usually more powerful than military radar towers"?

While you're at it, throw in a picture or two of these 'cooked birds'.

Jannie,
I think he means your tower are stronger than a military tower. It wont fall over that easy.
I have like 5 different birds nesting on my towers.
The crow's nest is a pain. wires and everything.

One frequency that we use is 2,4GHZ that is the one your micro wave is using.
We make our food hot while working up there.

 

[MacNutter]

And if you're going to dispute the dangers of military/civilian radar, then you have lost the argument already and are going to tread on my toes once again.

Hi Skeptik, how your head fits through the login prompt is beyond me. We care? Not!. Look at me, I am doing the Rain Dance on your toes. Now what? Give me a second to recover from my terrible attack of giggles that all your hot air has produced. I can not stop laughing. I vote this post for the Girly Slap Award. Sorry to the others for derailing this thread I will shut up now, it is just Skeptik, he has me in hysterical laughter.

 

[-toady-]

I think the people in the area got the "mass hysteria" symptom.

Damn YOU IMAGINARY EVIL RADIATION FORCES.

dumb people > dumber people

Is it just me, or is that pretty darned close to RBP material? *gags.....

 

[Gekco]

Cui bono ?

Cui bono ("To whose benefit?", literally "as a benefit to whom?", a double dative construction) is a Latin adage that is used either to suggest a hidden motive or to indicate that the party responsible for something may not be who it appears at first to be.

Commonly the phrase is used to suggest that the person or people guilty of committing a crime may be found among those who have something to gain, chiefly with an eye toward financial gain. The party that benefits may not always be obvious or may have successfully diverted attention to a scapegoat, for example.

The Roman orator and statesman Marcus Tullius Cicero, in his speech Pro Roscio Amerino, section 84, attributed the expression Cui bono? to the Roman consul and censor Lucius Cassius Longinus Ravilla:
“ L. Cassius ille quem populus Romanus verissimum et sapientissimum iudicem putabat identidem in causis quaerere solebat 'cui bono' fuisset.

The famous Lucius Cassius, whom the Roman people used to regard as a very honest and wise judge, was in the habit of asking, time and again, 'To whose benefit?'
”

Another example of Cicero using "cui bono" is in his defence of Milo, in the Pro Milone. He even makes a reference to Cassius: "let that maxim of Cassius apply". (Cicero, Pro Milone 32.3).

So who benefits in which circumstances in what way in this case?

 

[happychappy]

Can you please post the information showing these towers are "usually more powerful than military radar towers"?

While you're at it, throw in a picture or two of these 'cooked birds'.

The towers usually have to deal with a lot more information than a simple radar system. They use a lot more power too...

No, but you can actually see the warning signs on the antennae. Something in the line of " keep away from humans " "do not work near this unit when on" etc

usually they warn that a certain distance is safe, but it just means that it won't damage your swimmers today... only a day and a year from now lol



and no cellphones are safe imho...

 

[Sackboy]

The towers usually have to deal with a lot more information than a simple radar system. They use a lot more power too...

No, but you can actually see the warning signs on the antennae. Something in the line of " keep away from humans " "do not work near this unit when on" etc

usually they warn that a certain distance is safe, but it just means that it won't damage your swimmers today... only a day and a year from now lol



and no cellphones are safe imho...

Why would it say that if it's thousands of times safer?

 

[Creag]

Why would it say that if it's thousands of times safer?

+1

 

[j@w]

Can you please post the information showing these towers are "usually more powerful than military radar towers"?

While you're at it, throw in a picture or two of these 'cooked birds'.

LOL Jannie, why do you even waste your time replying to that idiotic comment.

God created dumb people, so that smart people have something to keep them busy with when they are bored.