'We are an evil nation'

[feo]

Indeed man, it was a memorable weekend. So many great things to come. Can't wait.

Do the think the good things that happen outweigh the bad?

 

[Sweetlicks]

Is there anyone with something positive to add?

Not I, no. I am a realist and realistically speaking this country is going down the tubes mate...

 

[dlk001]

Do the think the good things that happen outweigh the bad?

I don't know holistically but I just see happy people around me. People do have the ability to hide their scars but its the good vibe that energizes me.

 

[dlk001]

Not I, no. I am a realist and realistically speaking this country is going down the tubes mate...

and where I come from, I am too. In my belief, I've always been a realist. But then, realistically speaking, people differ.

 

[Obaht]

There seems to be an increasing number of attacks using pangas. This is the ultimate African terror weapon. It has been used to great effect across Africa in the past.

Another question I have is why white people in SA are now being dehumanized to the extent that these types of attacks are frequent? Why so much torture during the robbery's before the killings.

Only someone who is so full of hate and believes that whites are "cockroaches:" can perpertrate this type of crime. This needs to be stopped by the ANC before it turns into full scale genocide of white people. What legacy will South Africa then have in the future if these types of torture killings are not stopped.

 

[dlk001]

This needs to be stopped by the ANC before it turns into full scale genocide of white people. What legacy will South Africa then have in the future if these types of torture killings are not stopped.

Education will help improve perceptions. Its not just schooling, its people learning about each others differences, appreciating them and develop a willingness to meet each other halfway.

If there is genocide, it affects us all.

 

[PeterCH]

We have incredible polarity in terms of the rich and the poor.
You see people driving in R1 million cars next to people who maybe have R100 in total
assets. Obviously that contributes to it to.

However there is also the issue of black vs white, both groups are inherently racist
and I believe that will never change. Many blacks believe it's morally ok to steal from
the whites, while many whites seem touched more by the plight of a dog at the SPCA then that of poor abused children in townships. I also think that many young people in SA don't have discipline. Like religion or hate it, but IMHO if more people went to church
and maybe became afraid of going to hell for killing someone, more so than any slap on the wrist punishment you would get from the popular government over here, I think
we'd see less violence. If only fathers took more responsibility in raising their kids. Yup.

Many problems. Solutions?

Maybe people need to be managed more. If a company goes bankrrupt someone else steps in and takes over management.
I think like hyperactive/attention deficit disorder children many people need structure in their lives.
More pride in themselves and more fear for the law. Maybe as psychologists put it, some deep painful self-introspection.
People need to look at themselves. Still if you're hungry or living in fear of tsotsis, that's impossible, AND those
people who live in fear of tsotsis are not the problem themselves.

 

[Sneeky]

Cliff? Does anyone still listen to Radio5 in vast numbers?

 

[feo]

Also I was listening to a debate the other day where it was said that the attitudes of matriculants going into varsity/technikon was pretty pathetic compared to other African (yes African) countries, lack of initiative, laziness, expecting to pass without studying, wanting their pass marks on a platter. It's pretty bad and I've seen it first hand how many of them aren't prepared to put in some blood, sweat and tears into furthering themselves, and if that's the attitudes the "well off" youth portray then you can just imagine what the uneducated masses are like.

 

[PeterCH]

Also I was listening to a debate the other day where it was said that the attitudes of matriculants going into varsity/technikon was pretty pathetic compared to other African (yes African) countries, lack of initiative, laziness, expecting to pass without studying, wanting their pass marks on a platter. It's pretty bad and I've seen it first hand how many of them aren't prepared to put in some blood, sweat and tears into furthering themselves, and if that's the attitudes the "well off" youth portray then you can just imagine what the uneducated masses are like.

I can tell you that many educated foreign blacks who come to work in SA, say the same things. They are quite shocked by the attitude of many of
the black kids in SA. If you speak to locally educated blacks here, they actually echo the same thing too.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

To me it's a matter of social upbringing. In poverty stricken countries where people are content, parents usually instil the same values in their kids. That's not to say that they don't strive to further their lives, but their attitude towards life is usually carried on by their kids.

Now ask yourself, when parents are burning tyres on the streets and stoning cars that are passing through, what kind of an example does that set to the young ones?

 

[Alan]

Also I was listening to a debate the other day where it was said that the attitudes of matriculants going into varsity/technikon was pretty pathetic compared to other African (yes African) countries, lack of initiative, laziness, expecting to pass without studying, wanting their pass marks on a platter. It's pretty bad and I've seen it first hand how many of them aren't prepared to put in some blood, sweat and tears into furthering themselves, and if that's the attitudes the "well off" youth portray then you can just imagine what the uneducated masses are like.

Just have to take a look at my guavament yuppie neanderthal neighbours. Do nothing but party. Always p1ssed with loud bass blasting mindless noise. And to think it's our tax money funding their pathetic lifestyles :sick

Of course all Friday and Sunday they were at it again. So loud I couldn't even my own fsking T.V as per usual. So I phoned their mother She basically said it's the festive season and it's an African thing to celebrate it like that blah, blah , blah.

 

[feo]

Now ask yourself, when parents are burning tyres on the streets and stoning cars that are passing through, what kind of an example does that set to the young ones?

Too true. It's happened at Tuks where a large chunk of the student population virtually turned main campus into a bloody zoo, this was at some sort of fee protest march 2 years ago. I was sickened when I walked onto campus, all the papers and **** lying around.

Earlier this year, Wits students acting like a bunch of uncivilized monkeys jumping on desks preventing the rest of the students from attending class.

This one is not related to students but Satawu had a march also about 2 years ago in Hatfield and broke windows of shops and even hit a girl on her vespa scooter with a moerse stick right in front of me.

In my class, the most hardworking students are ones that are non-South African, nuf said.

 

[dlk001]

Also I was listening to a debate the other day where it was said that the attitudes of matriculants going into varsity/technikon was pretty pathetic compared to other African (yes African) countries, lack of initiative, laziness, expecting to pass without studying, wanting their pass marks on a platter. It's pretty bad and I've seen it first hand how many of them aren't prepared to put in some blood, sweat and tears into furthering themselves, and if that's the attitudes the "well off" youth portray then you can just imagine what the uneducated masses are like.

With all the perseverance I had to study for something meaningful during my schooling days, I doubt I would have made it compared to now.

For us, despite being deprived of Education, we still went to seek for it in the dust bins if we had to because of the hunger. Its just not the same. Matric was never about passing, it was about "how I'm gonna pass" even though it was useless in Bantu standards.

When students lose that desire and hunger, it takes away that devotion from the teachers who really want to make a difference. Its sad because young people are never aware of the consequences especially when their parents know less.

The ANC needs to take responsibility of this. Its not their sole problem but its for them to lead by example. Black Education Empowerment Bill is long overdue.

 

[noxibox]

With all the perseverance I had to study for something meaningful during my schooling days, I doubt I would have made it compared to now.

For us, despite being deprived of Education, we still went to seek for it in the dust bins if we had to because of the hunger. Its just not the same. Matric was never about passing, it was about "how I'm gonna pass" even though it was useless in Bantu standards.

When students lose that desire and hunger, it takes away that devotion from the teachers who really want to make a difference. Its sad because young people are never aware of the consequences especially when their parents know less.

I recall when I did some volunteer teaching many years ago the students who came for class would come to school no matter what, sometimes risking life and limb to get to school through riots and protests, because they wanted to learn what we had to teach.

I also remember when I was at university that the black students were often the hardest workers. They'd had to struggle to get there (I had to pay my own way, but had at least received a decent school education).

 

[Jonny Two Shoes]

The ANC needs to take responsibility of this. Its not their sole problem but its for them to lead by example. Black Education Empowerment Bill is long overdue.

Now there's a helluva thought Black Education Empowerment vs Black Economic Empowerment. A nice subtle little difference that would have made all the difference for SA.

 

[Jozi101]

I can tell you that many educated foreign blacks who come to work in SA, say the same things. They are quite shocked by the attitude of many of
the black kids in SA. If you speak to locally educated blacks here, they actually echo the same thing too.

You all seem to know an awful lot about "The Blacks" don't you?

NB: I'm an "Educated Black", and i don't know of any other educated blacks who share these sentiments. I don't know who you've been talking to.

Anyway, this thread has gone way off track.

 

[feo]

You all seem to know an awful lot about "The Blacks" don't you?

NB: I'm an "Educated Black", and i don't know of any other educated blacks who share these sentiments. I don't know who you've been talking to.

Anyway, this thread has gone way off track.

No it hasn't. We're trying to debate the reasons as to why our society is so messed up, is it education? Is it upbringing? Is it poverty? Is it bitterness about the past?

There was a good point made by H_GP about the abject poverty in India yet they don't suffer from the same crime epidemic that we do, why is that?

Jozi101, walk into any SA university and then come back here and try saying that black kids in SA aren't lazy.

 

[Geriatrix]

Jozi101, walk into any SA university and then come back here and try saying that black kids in SA aren't lazy.

In his defense, the white kids I've met lately are just as useless and lazy as you describe.

They just go to uni 'cause mommy and daddy pays, they drink. drug up, shag and party the whole day, few leave their parents houses before the age of 26.
Some get R200 000 cars for free and some of those that do work up the courage to get a job, only does it half-arsed and go home early as much as they can. They don't appreciate or respect anything or anyone.

Yes, yes I know its not everyone but compared to how I remember how people behaved when I grew up, things have really gone bad.

 

[feo]

In his defense, the white kids I've met lately are just as useless and lazy as you describe.

They just go to uni 'cause mommy and daddy pays, they drink. drug up, shag and party the whole day, few leave their parents houses before the age of 26.
Some get R200 000 cars for free and some of those that do work up the courage to get a job, only does it half-arsed and go home early as much as they can. They don't appreciate or respect anything or anyone.

Yes, yes I know its not everyone but compared to how I remember how people behaved when I grew up, things have really gone bad.

I can't argue that, it's true all over the world, they booze, sex and party (typical students ) but the thing is, in most cases they snap out of it and eventually get their degree, same is not true with the others.