'We are an evil nation'

feo said:
I can't argue that, it's true all over the world, they booze, sex and party (typical students :D) but the thing is, in most cases they snap out of it and eventually get their degree, same is not true with the others.
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What are you talking about?:( I've got my degree, four of my friends have their degrees. You're displaying typical racist traits in seeing the wrong in people of other races, while ignoring all the flaws with your people.
 
Before everyone jumps on the racism bandwagon once a-****ing-gain - let's just nip this in the butt immediately. ALL HUMANS ARE INHERENTLY LAZY BY NATURE. THAT'S WHY WE INVENT THINGS.
 
Jozi101 said:
You all seem to know an awful lot about "The Blacks" don't you?:rolleyes:
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Its not something uncommon here. Its statements like these that make me laugh

"The Xhosa tribe for instance has no history of using water for anything but drinking and bathing."

But, at the end, its the result of our history which has made us to generalize so much.
 
Jozi101 said:
What are you talking about?:( I've got my degree, four of my friends have their degrees. You're displaying typical racist traits in seeing the wrong in people of other races, while ignoring all the flaws with your people.
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I'm just stating my experience, I never intended to tar ALL black students with the same brush. But BobbyMac is right, students in general are a lazy bunch but while studying I definitely noticed a difference in how much work different races were willing to put into their studies.
 
feo said:
No it hasn't. We're trying to debate the reasons as to why our society is so messed up, is it education? Is it upbringing? Is it poverty? Is it bitterness about the past?
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It is probably a combination. It is very likely the parents of these children are uneducated, that they are relatively poor, had high expectations and are now bitter. The parents pass that bitterness on to their children along with their perception that people with money, particularly white people, had it handed to them on a platter.

I don't think poverty alone is an important factor. Income disparity may be important. Perhaps trouble is brewing in India. They are facing this issue of income disparity.

feo said:
walk into any SA university and then come back here and try saying that black kids in SA aren't lazy.
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A higher percentage or does it just look that way because they're a majority? Does their background make a difference?
 
If religion is supposedly a solution then the solution to the problem is obvious. We need to make everyone a Hindu.
 
Jozi101 said:
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2233051,00.html

On the money IMO!

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"In India, where there is abject poverty, violent crimes hardly exist.

People in India have accepted their circumstances and live with it. This has not yet happened in South Africa"
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.. or Africa for that matter.

In some instances people are worse off now.
Things are comparatively more expensive and life is much more stressful.
The old Government in many ways prevented this by separating the rich from the poor, which for obvious reasons made it that the poor people knew no better. That was not right, but now that all is revealed the poorer class with little Education and understanding of how an Economy works will continue to suffer as they cannot grasp the basics of how wealth is created.

The Economy for the foreseeable future will have to run two sets of books in a manner of speaking where the rich will be subsidising the poor.
I personally have no fault with that, as long as my input is appreciated, that I don't have to read blow by blow accounts of how our taxes are either not spent or stolen, as that makes me feel as if my efforts are just flogging a dead horse of Government ineptitude.
 
noxibox said:
A higher percentage or does it just look that way because they're a majority? Does their background make a difference?
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I don't know, does it?

I think it probably just looks that way because of majority like you say. But what I can't get over is the fact that it's Saffers that are the laziest of the bunch, my friends from Senegal, DRC, Nigeria are all flippin' hard workers. In a country that offers so many opportunities I would've thought that South African students would be the first to take full advantage of a tertiary education instead of pissing it away.

noxibox said:
If religion is supposedly a solution then the solution to the problem is obvious. We need to make everyone a Hindu.
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:D :D
 
Jozi101 said:
What are you talking about?:( I've got my degree, four of my friends have their degrees.
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All my friends I went to UCT with have degrees. That's my experience. All my friends in my Civil Engineering class were racially discriminated at some point. I got the worst of it. I wonder what would have been the perception had I not graduated, failed because I was lazy perhaps!
 
We?

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BobbyMac said:
Before everyone jumps on the racism bandwagon once a-****ing-gain - let's just nip this in the butt immediately. ALL HUMANS ARE INHERENTLY LAZY BY NATURE. THAT'S WHY WE INVENT THINGS.
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Who are "we"? Could you please give an example of something (anything) that was invented by a Black man (or woman):confused:
 
The article wasn't really about the evils of the country or the laziness of blacks - as some people here have turned it into. It's about the residual resentment towards the whites felt by those who were oppressed, promised restitution, then came to watch their quality of life deteriorate even further while the rich whites became richer. I've lived in quite a few places, and I've never experienced such a racial and economic divide as exists between the whites and the blacks in this country - and never such an uncomfortable relationship. I've never even really been conscious of being a white person before, or sensed the difference between my black friends. Here I just don't have any black friends. It's like the races just don't intermingle.

I'm not surprised that the resentment has built up like this. When you see the townships, then compare them with where we are now in affluent Somerset West - those places are a breeding ground for racial hostility. It's a pretty frightening situation.
 
dlk001 said:
All my friends I went to UCT with have degrees. That's my experience. All my friends in my Civil Engineering class were racially discriminated at some point. I got the worst of it. I wonder what would have been the perception had I not graduated, failed because I was lazy perhaps!
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If I understand correctly (please note I am white and this is my perception from reading the above and also my experience in the workplace...) racial discrimination were suffered but graduation still took place, which of cause shows character.
In doing so however did you and your graduating friends actually not kill the myth that graduation is not possible due to discrimination?

I believe you may just have opened the can of beans showing that many a student rather than give it everything to graduate will find some reason to hide their flawed attitude behind... Mine was epilepsy, why me?

Today it is 25 years later and I am not impressed with myself but accept my fate...
 
Even under Apartheid those black students who managed to get into university and overcome their poor educational background, could study the same university coursework, pass their exams and graduate. It didn't matter what colour they were. I don't know how far back it goes, but universities like UCT certainly have a reasonable history of not discriminating. If any black student at a university like UCT today claims they couldn't pass due to discrimination they're full of it.
 
feo said:
But what I can't get over is the fact that it's Saffers that are the laziest of the bunch, my friends from Senegal, DRC, Nigeria are all flippin' hard workers.
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Does this cover all races? I'm curious because only a decade ago I know South Africans were sought after in foreign countries because of their reputation for being hardworking.

I do think that maybe children today have it too easy. And I'm not talking about South Africa specifically or the alleged importance of hitting children as a means of discipline.
 
feo said:
But what I can't get over is the fact that it's Saffers that are the laziest of the bunch, my friends from Senegal, DRC, Nigeria are all flippin' hard workers.
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Does this cover all races? I'm curious because only a decade ago I know South Africans were sought after in foreign countries because of their reputation for being hardworking.

I do think that maybe children today have it too easy. And I'm not talking about South Africa specifically or the alleged importance of hitting children as a means of discipline.
 
noxibox said:
I don't know how far back it goes, but universities like UCT certainly have a reasonable history of not discriminating. If any black student at a university like UCT today claims they couldn't pass due to discrimination they're full of it.
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I was discriminated by a lecturer in my Civil Engineering class and in front of other students. Thank God for sympathy of a Prof Sparks. I owe my life to him.

Black students were discriminated and thrown out of a Surveying Camp at Elandsbaai organized by department of Land Surveying.

I was discriminated against at Leo Marquard Hall when I arrived at UCT. Its such a joke!

I can go on and on about UCT. Regardless, it offered the best education.

I guess I'm full of it and I know i'm not the only one too.
 
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