dualmeister
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We will nationalise oceans - EFF
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Fudzy
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It's pretty sad that a university as acknowledged as UCT is let some idiot make a comment like that without being dropped into a dunk tank or pelted with eggs.
Looney
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Is it not possible to exterminate these cockroaches?
Well I'm submitting a patent for the combination of:
Nitrogen N2 78.084 %
Oxygen O2 20.9476 %
Argon Ar 0.934 %
Carbon Dioxide CO2 0.0314 %
Neon Ne 0.001818 %
Methane CH4 0.0002 %
Helium He 0.000524 %
Krypton Kr 0.000114 %
Hydrogen H2 0.00005 %
Xenon Xe 0.0000087 %
Nitrogen N2 78.084 %
Oxygen O2 20.9476 %
Argon Ar 0.934 %
Carbon Dioxide CO2 0.0314 %
Neon Ne 0.001818 %
Methane CH4 0.0002 %
Helium He 0.000524 %
Krypton Kr 0.000114 %
Hydrogen H2 0.00005 %
Xenon Xe 0.0000087 %
NomNom
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I heard that they are going to notionalise the air also.
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Sadly, it doesn't look like it. They get more and more support, due to the fact that they want to nationalize every thing they can. If they come into power, we can just as well all leave. Anyone that can think logically, knows what will happen if Malena comes to power. Welcome to Zim 2.0
Mortymoose
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Nope they ain't..... When u okies have your elections, mark my words, gauteng will stay Anc...... The media and DA are making this orovince into a big talking point, but that majority of voters are still uneducated sheeple....
Saw it here in Nam, all thought Swapo were gonna lose votes to the new party RDP, but the masses still voted where they were told to vote even though twenty years after being set free there were still no jobs, housing, medical and the gov was wasting money on building mansions and statues...
Thingyyyyyy
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Can we please have one thread for this eff business. Nothing is relevant.
They sing the same tune every time they en their mouths.
They sing the same tune every time they en their mouths.
I suppose it makes for release at the end of a tough week, however you are right, Malema is a TROLL, of a new type and strain with no antidote about to go viral before election season.
You may be right, the long term rights could be expiring around that point at which time the Department will set new parameters of transformation for the previously disadvantaged with the emphasis on communities from what I hear.
I know a few white people still in the fishing industry, technically on paper they own less than 50% of their Company, but still have to fund the running costs of their operations. These fisherman know nothing else than the sea, they had to transform or lose everything. So come 2020 or whatever date is set out they may have some rights or nothing at all. I suspect a few of them will be retiring before then and selling their boats?
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DigitalSoldier
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They should nationalise pap as well that's where the really money is.
Spoken to some of the Portuguese boat owners and that is the info they received from Sea Fisheries.
In Hout Bay for example the local colored fishing community have been fighting the fishing rights dilemma for a long time now. The Portuguese companies are dominating in this area , many who wouldn't have been where they are now if it wasn't the locals who brought prospective buyers to them. These are also people who knows nothing other than the sea. Even the women, many who worked in fish factories since the age of 13, have lost their jobs after factory closures. Tourism increase in this area is making it difficult for the industry.
Hout Bay has long become a tourist and recreational destination, there is more activity around boat trips for tourists, floating marinas full of sailing boats etc. The fisherman cannot even offload on the main Snoek jetty as there is other boats parked there now. A lot can be contributed to the poor fishing, but at the end of the day people must realise that Hout Bay was and still is actually a fishing harbour.
The Portuguese are mainly in Crayfish, Tuna and some long line Hake.
How transformed they are I am uncertain, but they would have had to go the same application route as everyone else when the Long Term Rights were issued.
In regards to the factory workers, Sea Harvest, Oceana, Viking and I&J had to lay off a lot of people, at one stage Saldanha Bay harbour was a ghost town I was told as the trawlers had no quota or very little quota to fish. The reality of what caused that problem was actually the transformation of the industry in a weird way, I&J Sea Harvest et al who own the big trawlers had to give off a big percentage of their Quota to new entrants. What the new entrants did then was give these quotas to the Spanish Trawlers to fish in the promise of better prices to themselves something our local Companies did not realise could happen at the time, but resulting in Sea Harvest and I&J's fleet having to be reduced. I heard I&J sent 4 trawlers on their own steam to the East to be sold for scrap.
I&J, SH did not have the volume of quota to fish any more and sustain their fleet, so the first people to suffer are the workers who got laid off. The owners of I&J for instance is AVI, a listed Company. The largest shareholder of Oceana is Tiger Brands a huge listed Company. These Companies simply cut their losses and moved on, decisions were made in the boardroom. A sad state of affairs, as the transformation did the opposite, it benefited a few new quota holders, but left hundreds, if not thousands of people without jobs at the processing plants as the Spanish Trawlers were processing our fish.
How much of that nonsense is still ongoing I am unsure, but the whole process has had more losers than winners. The Corporates took the losses on their balance sheet, unlike a private fishing operation who relies 100% on fishing.
I notice Sea Harvest is operational in Saldanha, but at what percentage of their original operation.
I&J, a Company that used to have a factory (no matter how small or big) in each fishing port across the country, is now a relic of its former self with one factory in Woodstock that processes the Hake and some by-catches from its few trawlers it still operates with out of Cape Town harbour.
Was transformation successful if you read into these problems. I suspect come 2020 there will be further transformation with emphasis on community involvement. While that all sounds good on paper, are these people fisherman, can they fish, can they even operate a boat and from my understanding generally speaking the answer is no, so I am not sure who will be running the boats, what is more than likely to happen is the few fisherman that are left will run the boats and the majority shareholders will be previously disadvantaged people who for the most part have never been to sea, them nor their ancestors were fisherman.
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