Web2.0 Standards

Kloon

Kloon

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So my question is this, with ajax becomming a standard nowadays and all fancy things being done to websites with javascript is enabling javascript on your browser a must? I have read that some people prefer to disable javascript due to being afraid of attacks through it. Must you develop your site to be able to work without JS or is it up to client to enable JS?
 
Web 2.0 is primarily a lot of JavaScript, people who disable java script are just anal retentive idiots, who obviously browse dodgy sites and are afraid of phishing. I have NEVER in my entire life had any issue with websites with java script.
 
Nice to know, its just I am developing a site that uses ajax and JS allot, so was just wondering about the subject.
 
You need the JS, screw the people who disable it. I knew a guy who was so omg omg omg JS JS. so frustrating..
 
What? Web 2.0 synonymous with JS and AJAX? I'm afraid not... Web 2.0 is an idea, rather than a set of technologies. The whole idea of Web 2.0 is interaction between people - blogging, messaging, chatting, INTERACTING. Calling your site "Web 2.0" because you use JS and AJAX is a bit uneducated...
 
FarligOpptreden said:
What? Web 2.0 synonymous with JS and AJAX? I'm afraid not... Web 2.0 is an idea, rather than a set of technologies. The whole idea of Web 2.0 is interaction between people - blogging, messaging, chatting, INTERACTING. Calling your site "Web 2.0" because you use JS and AJAX is a bit uneducated...
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Yes its a idea, but most web 2.0 "ideas" use JS.

facebook, myspace, gmail, digg, etc...
 
Calling your site "Web 2.0" because you use JS and AJAX is a bit uneducated..
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im afraid i'd have to agree with FarligOpptreden on this, but there are plenty ppl who think that by using ajax they automatically have a web 2.0 website... and dont get me started on the dumb beta stickers... :D
 
web 2.0 is more your big buttons , bold text, crap like that. The whole web 2.0 is so last year.
 
not what i meant :D... ok lets re-phrase "I agree with FarligOpptreden on this"
better?
 
web 2.0 wiki def.

The term "Web 2.0" refers to a perceived second generation of web development and design, that aim to facilitate communication, secure information sharing, interoperability, and collaboration on the World Wide Web. Web 2.0 concepts have led to the development and evolution of web-based communities, hosted services, and applications; such as social-networking sites, video-sharing sites, wikis, blogs, and folksonomies. - wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0
 
I beleive everybody out there has a different definition of what Web2.0 is. I was mere refering to Web2.0 cause most Web2.0 sites out there like the social media sites is based on AJAX and JS. Using AJAX and JS I would say is becomming a standard nowadays.

h1d3ki said:
Web 2.0 concepts have led to the development and evolution of web-based communities, hosted services, and applications; such as social-networking sites, video-sharing sites, wikis, blogs, and folksonomies. - wikipedia
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I believe AJAX and JS has some contribution towards this development and Evolution.
 
FarligOpptreden said:
What? Web 2.0 synonymous with JS and AJAX? I'm afraid not... Web 2.0 is an idea, rather than a set of technologies. The whole idea of Web 2.0 is interaction between people - blogging, messaging, chatting, INTERACTING. Calling your site "Web 2.0" because you use JS and AJAX is a bit uneducated...
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This from the same wikipedia article
Web 2.0 sites often feature a rich, user friendly interface based on Ajax
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FarligOpptreden said:
You're "afraid" you'll have to agree with me?! :eek: Who's going to hit you if you DON'T agree? :D
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I volunteer. :p

For the record, I use Javascript, but code for those that don't. We're not just talking dumb users here - we're talking Googlebots, screen readers, mobile browsers... not everyone browses with Firefox/Safari/Opera...
 
1st prize would be to have a site that degrades gracefully, so that anybody with a browser that doesn't support the js you use (or has chosen to turn it off) is able to at least have a functional experience.

As mentioned earlier, this also makes life easier for all sorts of web creatures that don't support js.

Ajax, js & web 2.0 are intertwined in most peoples minds and this is mainly because web 2.0ey sites tend to use ajax to make their user interfaces nicer (and for a variety of other technical reasons, such as speed & modularisation [sp?])
 
Kloon said:
I beleive everybody out there has a different definition of what Web2.0 is.
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That mindset is a year or 2 old already. Pretty much anyone in the web design / development industry would know that Web 2.0 refers to the sociability and collaboration of users in the web domain.

Kloon said:
I was mere refering to Web2.0 cause most Web2.0 sites out there like the social media sites is based on AJAX and JS. Using AJAX and JS I would say is becomming a standard nowadays.
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On the contrary, actually. Clean, script-free sites are still highly desirable, especially by design purists. I've seen many industry specialists moving AWAY from AJAX and JavaScript in a bid to achieve clean, accessible, fast-loading web-pages. Having clean markup with no scripts or styling information cluttering the content allows for easier debugging of layout issues and ensures and you have a wider audience to view or crawl the content of your site. Remember that with AJAX comes the overhead of all the scripts that facilitate the asynchronous interaction between the client and server, thus (potentially) giving you slower response times than a clean CSS-based site would offer.

Kloon said:
I believe AJAX and JS has some contribution towards this development and Evolution.
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Also stated earlier in this thread, AJAX and JS have been used as a means to achieve fluid user interaction. I don't necessarily believe that AJAX has led to the whole Web 2.0 revolution, but rather the technology was adopted as it became more mainstream. Look at early Web 2.0 sites like MySpace - (afaik) when MySpace was started, it was not AJAX-ified, but gave people a widely accessible blog with the chance to network with others around the world. That was the aim of MySpace. AJAX just came along for the ride... ;)

This is in no way a personal attack against you or AJAX and JavaScript. I am a huge fan of AJAX and JS and would (and DO) implement it readily in any application IF the situation calls for it. The use of AJAX is determined by the scope and nature of work, but not vice-versa. Like any technology available out there, over-use is over-kill... (how about a nice, all-Flash website, ya'll? :D)
 
I'm with Nexxus. Use javascript to spruce up what is already a functional page, and then you can start doing the niceties, like ajaxifying forms (jQuery does this nicely), beautifying pages with background images, round corners, etc. (CSS works here). Check your site with a text browser like links or the sweet little app I use: SpidEye. It gives you a good idea of what Google sees (i.e. no images, no js or flash), and most text-to-speech converters.
 
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