What equipment needed for WISP/long range wi-fi ?

captainwifi

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You license is for having telecommunications equipment or whatever... gives you NO rights to dig up roads and lay ducts....

Correct, it gives Council the legal right to give you a leeway should you as a ECNS license holder ask for one. This is all to do with procedure, look beyond the procedures and look to the "unofficial" views of the ANC who is set on path to provide black people with free bandwidth.
 

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No, it doesn't give the council legal right to give you a leeway if you are an ECNS license holder.

The right to cut up roads to lay ducting lies with the Council in charge of the road.... you do not have to be an ECNS license holder to apply for permission to put in ducting under a road.. if you follow the proper procedure and are granted a permit you can do it...
 

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You can agree as much as you want...

Reality and the law differ with your views... and reality and the law win every time unfortunately for you.
 

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Reality and the law differ with your views... and reality and the law win every time unfortunately for you.

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If I cut a street in Cape Town without a permit, I'd spend the next three months in Pollsmoor awaiting trial.
 

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If I cut a street in Cape Town without a permit, I'd spend the next three months in Pollsmoor awaiting trial.

If I am not mistaken you have a roadcutting license via your ECNS? The 600 license holders wouldn't want people to tunnel under roads using http://www.ditchwitch.com/dwcom/Equipment/ProductFullSpecView/161 without them in the loop due to the monetary rewards. Cutting the road is much cheaper to lay microduct for fiber , it is a simple process and the cut is filled up with polyconcrete - http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/HorizontalDirectionaldrilling. With tunneling there wouldn't be any evidence of the "crime", they use ground penetrating radar to look for duct. All you really need is to find out where exactly is any duct so you don't cut the Neotel cable or anything, this information is available , especially now that counil realizes people will tunnel roads with or without their permission so rather give the plans and avoid having the whole road under water.

You don't have to do it yourself rather contract it out to:
ANDREI Nelspruit Horizontal drilling 082 569 9154
Corrie Scheepers Planar Construction 083 413 1027
Ampvar PTY ltd - Neil Botes 082 807 5800
Bill Smith Mgoti Horizontal drilling 082 723 1918
Johan Trenching in Kruger Park to lay [[CableFlex]] ducting 083 675 8155
http://www.reeftrenchlesstech.co.za are the agents for http://www.tttechnologies.com (011)828 2397

And if they are to chicken then get an ex-convict from Polsmoor prison to cut the road for you. How long would he go to jail in anycase? We setup a scheme whereby we pay his fine etc.... Use your imagination. The fact that the criminals are above the law and view jail as a joke isn't always a bad thing. We can use them to setup illegal Wimax transmitters on 400Mhz. As the NPA reads this thread realizing what is actually going on, they wouldn't even bother prosecuting. think of the old AlCapone days with the banning of booz, it created a mafia style underground criminal network.

In the same way we will use criminals to give us bandwidth on Wimax 500Mhz , giving them decent and moral employment, because the Lord Jesus Christ made 500Mhz , it doesn't belong Icasa and the telecoms firms bribing them to hunt down Wimax on 400Mhz.

The problem with South-Africans are that we are to easily intimidated and don't understand how the law and legislation works. We confuse threats by connected ANC stooges like with the firearms control act with actual court convictions due to mass mind control by lying lawyers and naspers. In australia they took the guns away in Russia the same, but we are South-Africa with SA laws and constitution, these are matters of factual verification.
 
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You do NOT have a roadcutting license with your ECNS wifybabycakes.. how long is it going to take for you to understand this...

Regardless of your license you still need to apply to the municipality that controls that road to get permission, and they may still decline the permission... your license does not GUARANTEE permission.
 

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As soon as I saw the word cutting up a road - I knew what was in store LOL
 

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Get the equipment from Scoop, ask the WUG guys to help with what to get. (you will need 2 RB433's, with 2 minipci and 2 grids, one for home, one for office, could take a 411 at one side, but will need a 433 at the other to connect to at least.) Then do the setup yourself after some help from the WUG guys. Don't worry about any license, that's not needed...
 

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Get the equipment from Scoop, ask the WUG guys to help with what to get. (you will need 2 RB433's, with 2 minipci and 2 grids, one for home, one for office, could take a 411 at one side, but will need a 433 at the other to connect to at least.) Then do the setup yourself after some help from the WUG guys. Don't worry about any license, that's not needed...

Excellent ! Thank you for your answer. Seems that the whole operation of setting up, including equipment, will cost me around R2500. I would like to setup my tower here and transmit to here and this is where the Telkom tower/exchange is located.
 

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The idea is almost fantastic, it should work without a sweat, did you take under consideration that you need ICASA license? Cost R 20,000.00. Without that license you cannot cross any public road. Without it if you are going to be caught you will lose all your equipment and you might get a fine up to
R 500, 000.00. Did you know about it? If not think again. I have very similar situation and can do nothing but pay.
Let say you will get the license, you will be persistent and pay the fee, what then will you buy the equipment and install it, I don't think so, using that cheap equipment for long range hauling of date you will need high power, so we are sitting again with dilemma should I or shouldn’t I break the law. ICASA regulation says that you are allowed to produce maximum 2W of radiated energy of the total produced power (Radio + Antenna) , friend of mine is using similar equipment like the one advised to you and over similar distance first his throughput from one radio to another is not a quarter of the promised on the pamphlet, second the equipment is getting stuck in some unexplained mode and you have to reboot the system to get it going again, this happened quite often. So what is your other alternative? Buy good equipment, than we are talking of +- R 40.000 per radio, unfortunately I cannot afford that kind of pricing so I just shut-up and am paying to the provider. But good luck maybe you are going to be more lucky than I am.
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Dude you need to update your facts... No license is required if you are running an internal network, only required if the link is "for profit".
 

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Dude you need to update your facts... No license is required if you are running an internal network, only required if the link is "for profit".

I think there is some limitation on power. Less than 400 mW or something without needing a license.
The Wuggers use very low power transmitters, in the region of a 100 or so milliwatts AFAIK. (pretty much what your std wireless AP / router dishes out).

The antenna's are just very directional and sensitive hence can cover a few kilometers & line-of-sight of course.

Pretty sure ICASA would throw a hissy fit if you started transmitting 50 watts around your neighborhood unlicensed.

[EDIT] There's probably a tone of gain on those antenna's beefing the signal to a couple of watts, but it's very directional - and who's counting anyway :D
 
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Pretty sure ICASA would throw a hissy fit if you started transmitting 50 watts around your neighborhood unlicensed.

Not to mention the fact that you'll have every hacker at the local high school trying to crack your password to get hold of your bandwidth. :)
 

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Not to mention the fact that you'll have every hacker at the local high school trying to crack your password to get hold of your bandwidth. :)

That's why you allow clients by MAC address only, no need to setup password...
 

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If you're worried about privacy, it's still a good idea to encrypt it, which will need a password. Allowing clients by MAC address will stop unauthorised access, but not monitoring.
 

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That's why you allow clients by MAC address only, no need to setup password...

If you're worried about privacy, it's still a good idea to encrypt it, which will need a password. Allowing clients by MAC address will stop unauthorised access, but not monitoring.
Can it really stop unauthorised access? - I saw a youtube video where someone edits their mac address - this was to get free internet in a hotspot environment - they changed their wireless card mac address to the same as someone who already had access, and they had free internet after that.

Not that you can believe everything on youtube, but I was convinced this was for real.
 
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Eish!
1. There is a diffrence between crossing a road and cutting it. - Ask the chicken.
2. As of 1995 the wireless act was changed and it is now legal for anybody to transmit over and accross roads and boundaries.
3. As for licensing, only if you makeing money from your link, or for any commercial use, do you need a license. So what you proposing is very legal and do not require a license.
4. Please just get help from any wugger setting up that link. Struggling with a link can become a nightmare.
5. This might even be cheaper and give you much more speed.... http://www.scoopdistribution.co.za/product_info.php?cPath=101_110&products_id=1045

Good luck and let us know how it is working :)
 

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Can it really stop unauthorised access? - I saw a youtube video where someone edits their mac address - this was to get free internet in a hotspot environment - they changed their wireless card mac address to the same as someone who already had access, and they had free internet after that.

Not that you can believe everything on youtube, but I was convinced this was for real.

Yes, you can spoof a MAC address, but you need to know which MAC address to spoof. I'm open to correction here, but if the link is encrypted, the MAC address should not be visible to someone eavesdropping, and therefore should be safe. Or safer...
 
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