What is a fair annual raise?

What do you think is a fair annual raise?

  • Matching inflation

    Votes: 128 38.0%

  • less than 10%

    Votes: 8 2.4%

  • 10%

    Votes: 44 13.1%

  • More than 10%

    Votes: 31 9.2%

  • Purely performance based

    Votes: 102 30.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 24 7.1%
  • Total voters
    337
RiaX said:
Not true. Civil servants got an increase as per the contract they negotiated in 2019 which was spread over 3 years. Government bailed on the last year though. Which is why they are very upset. Government is giving a cash allowance atm but they paying them from GEPF meaning the employees are paying themselves which is making them even more upset

Though civil servants get what is called EPMDS which is like a performance rating and of you pass you get 1% p.a.

They all get grade progressions AFAIK
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This says last increases were in 2019, so I am not sure how you can confidently state "not true".
www.moneyweb.co.za

Saptu challenges government over unfair salary increments

Employees last received pay increases in 2019.
www.moneyweb.co.za www.moneyweb.co.za
 
RiaX said:
Yes to be paid over 3 years. So every year they would get a pension able increase.
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No. The salary agreement was before 2019. 2019 was the last year that government honoured the agreement (at least according to that article).
 
This is a complex question with no right answer. The salary raise should consider a number of factors, such as the employee's overall performance and value to the company, the company's financial performance and what it can afford, inflation statistics for that year, market information for the role, relative to the employee's position, and where the employee stands on the company's internal remuneration bands. At the end of the day, it is the employee's responsibility to ensure they are getting what is right & fair. Of course, this does not mean burn a building down or cause a huge mess at work. I think good employees know when and how to get on and engage, and also know when to leave, in a peaceful and respectful manner.
 
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Botha22 said:
No. The salary agreement was before 2019. 2019 was the last year that government honoured the agreement (at least according to that article).
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Hmmm maybe I'm mixed up. But the grade progression and the epmds still goes through.
 
surface said:
Thanks but one of my comments was "Pay is good though for what I do". Absolutely happy about it and I don't remember having moaned about it tbh.
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Oh the response wasn’t so much directly responsive to you as a commentary in general of the thread as a whole.
 
MaisonP said:
Jasses with this attitude I would have given you fokkol increase. Being vindictive will get you nowhere.
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Yeah, some employees want to be paid well for just doing the job they were hired for. Then they want a helluva lot more for doing their job well.

I'm all for rewards, but lots of employees are just entitled.
 
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Someone earning R10k gets a 5% increase is vastly different from someone earning R100k getting a 5% increase.
 
wingnut771 said:
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Someone earning R10k gets a 5% increase is vastly different from someone earning R100k getting a 5% increase.
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Yip and that is why I don't get many forumites. I have received as little as 3% and have been happy because I am not bleedy earning R10K. But many of them scoff at 2-3 million rand house and insist that 50K pp gets you nowhere. At the same time, same people seem to be getting 10-15% raise per year because they are the cream of the crop.

So, if I peg salary to 400K (pitiful by mybb standards) in year 2005 and calculate 10% (because in their own words, these people are high performers) year on year since then, these ones should be earning at least 2 Million per year right now. And I didn't include bonuses that get bragged about every now and then.

And yet, mostly same people complain they are migrating because they don't have jobs due to BEE. Quite tiresome it is.
 
surface said:
In practice, the more you stay in same company, the more they know that you are not going anywhere really. It reduces your chances of getting decent raise.
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This is most South Africans, then.

~40% real unemployment rate, they know most people will stick with the job they have because the market is so tough. No reason to really reward anyone.
 
Harold_Crick said:
This is most South Africans, then.

~40% real unemployment rate, they know most people will stick with the job they have because the market is so tough. No reason to really reward anyone.
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I reserve the right to call you a non-performer as you can't really seem to get high income jobs like me. /s
 
3WA said:
But why are we entitled to raises each year? If we do the same work each year, surely we should just get inflation adjustments?
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I have no problem with that. If you meet expectations then at the very least your employer should keep your salary in line with inflation. The question is if your employer effectively cuts your pay by not at least giving you an inflation adjustment why can't you also reduce your work output accordingly?

Herr der Verboten said:
You should redo certain words used together in a context. There is some invalid combinations in your reply. Please try again.
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Rather I think you don't understand the simple fact that companies are collectives and thus it is quite reasonable for employees to negotiate as a collective. And that it makes complete sense for unions to push for the maximum increase possible just as the company will be trying to minimise it. It's all just capitalism. A true free market has unions.
 
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surface said:
In practice, the more you stay in same company, the more they know that you are not going anywhere really. It reduces your chances of getting decent raise.
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The worst part is they'll allow a skilled person's salary to stagnate until eventually they leave, then the company will spend hundreds of thousands replacing that person. Unfortunately from what I've witnessed that is more common than not.
 
noxibox said:
I have no problem with that. If you meet expectations then at the very least your employer should keep your salary in line with inflation. The question is if your employer effectively cuts your pay by not at least giving you an inflation adjustment why can't you also reduce your work output accordingly?


Rather I think you don't understand the simple fact that companies are collectives and thus it is quite reasonable for employees to negotiate as a collective. And that it makes complete sense for unions to push for the maximum increase possible just as the company will be trying to minimise it. It's all just capitalism. A true free market has unions.
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Perhaps not think; It seems to be a redundant module for you.
 
noxibox said:
I have no problem with that. If you meet expectations then at the very least your employer should keep your salary in line with inflation. The question is if your employer effectively cuts your pay by not at least giving you an inflation adjustment why can't you also reduce your work output accordingly?


Rather I think you don't understand the simple fact that companies are collectives and thus it is quite reasonable for employees to negotiate as a collective. And that it makes complete sense for unions to push for the maximum increase possible just as the company will be trying to minimise it. It's all just capitalism. A true free market has unions.
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A union is a socialist concept, there is nothing capatalistic about unions. A free capitalist market allows for socialist institutions, just like democracy is overridden because people want to be socialists.
 
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