What is wrong with SA rugby?

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For the entire Northern Hemisphere tour the Boks look clueless and far below par.

I watched the All Blacks vs Ireland match this weekend and was once again reminded what the best "Gameplan" is to implement and all matches. Nothing will ever beat running rugby.

So in my opinion, the following players need to be selected (In order for us to play the way New Zealand plays the game) :

15 Franz Steyn
14 Gio Aplon
13 Adrian Jacobs / Jaques Fourie
12 Wynand Olivier / Andries Strauss
11 Lwazi Mvovo
10 Ruan Pienaar (He has far more direction at fly-half and does not aimlessly kick the ball away 90 percent of the time and he can create space for the players outside him)
9 Francois Houghaard
8 Willem Alberts ( 2 matches he came on as a sub and scored on both occasions, need i say more? )
7 Juan Smith
6 Heinrich Brussouw ( Best fetcher in world rugby)
5 Victor Matfield as Captain
4 Bakkies Botha
3 CJ van der Linde
2 Bismarck Du Plessis
1 Beast Tendai Mutawarira

I know some of these players are injured, but this will be my starting team for the World Cup 2011
 
Frans Steyn sucked in both the games he played thus far -> Aplon
Adrian Jacobs doesn't even make the Sharks side... -> Fourie
Wynand Olilier scored like one try in 20 games, not a good Springbok center, great for Bulls -> De Villiers (you need a great combination of centers, not two great individuals)
Ruan Pienaar wears Morne Steyn pajamas, Pieter de Villiers lays out the game plan and Steyn follows it, but I agree, we need a more attacking flyhalf, not a kicking one, just don't think that is Pienaar -> Lambie?
As soon as Fourie du Preez is back, he will slot back in place, the Boks missed him.
Beast/Guthro... But the rest, I agree with.
 
I would sub Juan with Jean Deysel (also injured but set to play in the Super15). Juan is direct, but Jean is in my eyes a much better running player.
I also feel there are enough talented individuals within our provincial teams that we need not look for oversea's involvement. I used to like Ruan and Frans, I still do to a degree, but I also feel they made there beds when they opted to play overseas.

I just feel that some of the worthy, talented guys in our country are given the shove for people who've gone abroad. Rather give the guys who stay in our country first choice....
 
Sharks fan said:
15 Franz Steyn / Morne Steyn (for kicking)
[-]14 Gio Aplon[/-] JP Pieterson
13 [-]Adrian Jacobs[/-] / Jaques Fourie
12 [-]Wynand Olivier / Andries Strauss[/-] Jean Devilliers
11 Lwazi Mvovo
10 [-]Ruan Pienaar (He has far more direction at fly-half and does not aimlessly kick the ball away 90 percent of the time and he can create space for the players outside him)[/-] Pat Lambie
9 Francois Houghaard
8 Willem Alberts ( 2 matches he came on as a sub and scored on both occasions, need i say more? )
7 Juan Smith
6 Heinrich Brussouw ( Best fetcher in world rugby)
5 Victor Matfield as Captain
4 Bakkies Botha
3 CJ van der Linde
2 Bismarck Du Plessis
1 Beast Tendai Mutawarira
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My team, will do subs too if you like :D
 
The problem is not the players - it's the coaching staff Div,Gold and Muir. The same players that play so poorly for the springboks played very well in the Curry Cup.
Remember the coaching staff dictates the game plan - so if you want more running rugby speak to the coach.
 
What is wrong with SA rugby?

Injuries to key personnel.

John Smit, Jaque Fourie, Wynand Olivier, Andries Bekker, Fourie du Preez, Heinrich Brüssow, JP Pietersen, Gurthrö Steenkamp, Butch James, BJ Botha, Ricky Januarie, Schalk Burger and Juan de Jongh.

Add to that playing guys in test matches out of position and these results are not surprising. Lambie and Frans Steyn should be at fullback on this tour, Zane should be at home and Stefan Terblanche should have been selected at 13 regardless of his age...
Beast and Jannie haven't really asserted themselves in the tight and neither have Bakkies and Victor. We should have been bullying and harassing the Scots all night long on Saturday night. Instead it was the other way around. Our tight five simply didn't dominate physically like they did against Ireland (A very lackluster and flat footed Ireland it must be said). Deon Stegmann is not an international loose forward either.

As for PDV he may not be the most astute coach around but compared to Gary Gold he is a frigging genius. Gold for me the real clown in that management team...
 
sandmanm34 said:
John Smit, Andries Bekker, Butch James, BJ Botha, Ricky Januarie, Schalk Burger.
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IMO the players left there from your quote should be left out of the team all together. Smit is past his sell-by date - still a good captain, but not a pivotal player, Bekker is just tall, Butch still is Butch - but times have changed, BJ is still solid - I'd still give those who stayed in the country first shot though, Januarie needs to get over his ego - there are better scrumies than him and Schalk's days are long gone. Brussow absolutely owns in no. 6.
 
PhreeMe said:
IMO the players left there from your quote should be left out of the team all together. Smit is past his sell-by date - still a good captain, but not a pivotal player, Bekker is just tall, Butch still is Butch - but times have changed, BJ is still solid - I'd still give those who stayed in the country first shot though, Januarie needs to get over his ego - there are better scrumies than him and Schalk's days are long gone. Brussow absolutely owns in no. 6.
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Agree with you on that one! But I will give Bekker a change!
 
Why not make up a coaching "squad" from the top provinces? I mean, really, PDV must go!
 
TheREV said:
Why not make up a coaching "squad" from the top provinces? I mean, really, PDV must go!
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Because the top provinces play differently. Maybe the sharks and WP play a similar brand, but it still is different.
 
From the start i was against the PDV appointment, i'm smiling brightly now with a "i told you so" attitude to PDV supporters. LOL!

Politics is killing the boks.
 
Well its probably easier to explain Inception to a 4 year old then to get your head around everything thats wrong with SA rugby right now but I'll give it a shot.

Game plan and strategy: Or rather lack there of, we are playing headless chicken rugby, we no structure to speak of what so ever and no fall back plan. We "play the game as we see it" as P Divvy put it, problem is 30 different eyes dont all see the same game. Under White we had a structure and we played with it regardless of who was selected. P Divvy wants to change the selections in order to change the style and game plan, how can a team gel like that?

Selections: Habana has had to be the most consistently k@k player in the last 3 year but he is in the team every weekend, Matfield has played more rugby this year than should be allowed by law but he doesn't catch a break, John Smit had to get bloody surgery just to stay off the plain to the UK. We are selecting players who are tired and out of form as apposed to players who are fresh and in form. This tour should have been about building players 16-27 for the WC.

Injuries: We have key personal injured. Smit, Brussow, Burger, Deysel, Fourie, Pieterson, Bekker and probably the biggest one possible Fourie Du Preez. It can be bloody difficult to play rugby when 6 guys who would definitely be starting or at least on the bench are no where to be seen, especially when 5 of those guys are leaders or experienced senior players. It is best that all these injuries are now though and not a month before the WC. Lets not forget our coaching team who have long term brain damage apparently.

Im to lazy to carry on but you catch my drift.
 
What is wrong with SA rugby? Before the CC semi between the Bulls and Sharks, Frans Ludeke said the bulls don't believe in going around the wall but going through it. We all know what happened that day. This mindset still applies to the Springboks and luckily to a lesser extent to our provincial teams. Its no coincidence since the introduction of more kiwi/aussie coaches we started being more competetive at Super rugby level. Every year new rules get implemented to open the game up, for teams to score more tries and make the game more attractive and moving the game away from our "traditional" strengths. Our coaches are still trying to cling onto a bygone era.

We need to start selecting smarter more instinctive rugby players less brawn more brains.
 
I've always thought that we should harvest the best qualities from the different races playing rugby. Notice from team selections that the whites normally make better forwards (locks,tight-heads,flanks) as well as goal kickers. Currently our weakness is snails in the backs. The Cape colored rugby players will make the best back line ever in world rugby history.
They're much faster over short & longer distance, muck quicker from the mark and their reaction time is also quicker. If I could have my way in the national side, the whole backline would be colored with the exception of fly half - Fullback I'm not sure of. The key here would be to find the guys that will be able to tackle/defend properly. - they are out there but the scouts i think should do a better job
 
SA in general dont have a problem with forwards - escp i.t.o. locks and good props.
Our running rugby through backline attacks are very weak compared to the other top nations.
- when r we gona learn to run from deep?
- when r we gonna run proper angles?
- passes way to slow.
In my opinion i dont think we have the skills, it must be developed. "Stampkar" rugby is not working and will only make your life miserable as a result of it, when your a senior citizen

- when r we gonna stop with this loose forwards between scrummy and fly.5? Especially from 3rd phase onwards. It's not like we always need to consolidate. They almost never win ground like that - it's stupid, time wasting, effort
- and mr. coach - we DONT have a kicking game!!!!
 
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