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Blood and guts games are graphically advertised on TV.

The Christmas carol “Jingle bells” is used as a sound tract for advertising some computer games.

1) It is scary to think that some 8 year old is learning to desensitise himself by ripping bodies apart and see blood and gore in graphic detail in the various computer “games” that he plays.

2) It is scary that advertisers “use” and that the public “buys” blood and guts “games” on the Christmas “Spirit” message of love goodwill and peace to all on earth.

The USA use some killing games to train their soldiers as part of wars are fought via computer consoles. Seems that Spain is scaling down on the real bull fighting and killing of the bulls. So it is not all bad news?
 
Does not bother me at all. In fact, I am getting tired of ppl whinging about everything. Kids know the difference between games and reality, to say different is dumb. If its not games its music etc etc.

Christmas spirit? what does buying presents or a fat guy in a red suit have to do with christmas really anyways?

Christmas like Easter and all other holidays is a con to hike prices and add 2 inches to my waste.

I guess i am just bitter cause i am still at work :)
 
Leostar said:
1) It is scary to think that some 8 year old is learning to desensitise himself by ripping bodies apart and see blood and gore in graphic detail in the various computer “games” that he plays.
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First off, if an 8 year old gets the game from a parent or other adult, the parent and/or adult should have taught the child it's make-believe. Not sure if you've noticed, there's age restrictions on these games (and that goes with movies as well) and most television and print advertisements has a specific code of conduct they need to adhere to, one of which is not to promote explicit violence or gore of that nature. You should complain to your broadcaster if that is the case so that you can get the advertisement pulled. Many parents don't monitor children watching TV anyway....

Leostar said:
2) It is scary that advertisers “use” and that the public “buys” blood and guts “games” on the Christmas “Spirit” message of love goodwill and peace to all on earth.
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Well, personally, if I had no other choice than to give my kid a video game or let them go out with their friends and stay out on the streets all day every day during vacation, I'd choose the former. However, it's the parents responsibility to teach the child a few fundamental things and those are:

  • The difference between reality and fiction (you'll laugh, but some kids can't determine fantasy from real life)
  • Explain to them that killing an innocent *being* is wrong and that wars are only fought because of other people trying to impose on your basic human rights
  • Get them to adhere to a strict schedule where they're only allowed to play games or watch movies while there's a parent in the house (at least) and only for a couple of hours at a time. Punishment by taking away the game bought is sufficient.
  • They will get punished for any rude behavior resulting from said game by not being allowed to play at all

In fact, I think my list (and this post) pretty much covers the root cause of this problem. And that is the lack of good (and involved) parenting.

Kids commit suicide because of a game? (Read the 1st and 3rd point in my list)
Kids acting out what they saw on Television (like WWE) or played a game with? (Read my last two points)

A lot of parents (including my sister) assumes (incorrectly) that the "kids would know better". This from her mouth several times.

Kids do not know any better unless specifically taught by a responsible adult and not left unsupervised

If you have to work 3 jobs just to make ends meet and leave your kid alone for 18+ hours and do not even force him to go to bed or make sure he ate something when you do (and notice he is playing games still) then it's your fault he died of malnutrition/heart attack due to a non-stop 36 hour gaming stint.

Get my drift?

*Edit* My "list" more or less applies to talking about sex as well. My feeling is, if a kid is old enough to ask the question, he/she is old enough to know (not in explicit detail, you have to consider their attention span as well). Talking to a kid and treating them like an intelligent human being does more in teaching them to cope with these realities and have fun while being a kid than it does lying to them about it or not telling them at all. Kids will eventually learn this **** 2nd hand from other kids or adults. They're like sponges soaking up all information they can, so if you can't do what's on my list and/or you don't buy your under-aged child a 16+ game, he/she will most probably experience the same thing at a friends house, so having "the talk" with them (in my list) should begin from an early age bit by bit so that when they are exposed to this **** and you're not around, they have the tools in dealing with fantasy vs reality and not make a mistake that will cost them dearly.
 
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AcidRaZor said:
Kids commit suicide because of a game? (Read the 1st and 3rd point in my list)
Kids acting out what they saw on Television (like WWE) or played a game with? (Read my last two points)


Get my drift?

and you're not around, they have the tools in dealing with fantasy vs reality and not make a mistake that will cost them dearly.
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Thanks for our very detailed reply.

1) I am most grateful that both my children are grown up. But I have a grandson of 4 month now. Needless to say he will not get that kind of game.

2) Yes, I happened to surf TV channels last night and saw this add and thought O, nice Christmas Carol, and looked at TV and saw what was on offer. Not a channel that I normally watch, but yes I will write to Broadcasting when I happen to surf the same TV channel. I surf when there are advertisements so I am not usually watching advertisements. But will look out for this one!!

3) I would like your thoughts of the Christmas message of love goodwill etc used to advertise killing blood guts TV/computer game.??

4) Reality vs imaginations. There was kids that jumped of a fence with a cape after watching Superman. Another one hit his brother on a head with a hammer to see if he would sprout a bump like he saw on a Tom and Jerry cartoon. Now those are little “dumb” kids but…..???

5) A British teenager committed suicide after some boys ganged up against her on a Face book page. With internet surfing, Mixit children have a hard time.

6) There are some teenagers that meet strangers after having been chatted up via mixit.



TV computers are not good or bad. It is how they are used.
 
Dude do you think all our criminals who are so brutal grew up playing duke nukem? come on now.

Point 3:

I want to see some kids face when you bring him sims 3 as opposed to some violent guts and gore game :D. Xmas is about gifts not goodwill and cheer even though some may think that.

Point 4:

Sadly there are just stupid people born, not the fault of tv or computer games.

Point 5:

Shame some boys ganged up on her on facebook, wow go kill yourself. Bloody emo. Again nothing to do with technology just weak minded.

point 6:

How many kids have climbed into cars or been conned into going somewhere with strangers before technology really kicked in? Once again you cannot hold technology responsible for stupidity.

If you want blame technology, games and tv for the worlds problem i think you are looking in the wrong place.

O yes bring your kid sim3 instead of the latest gore game and you just may find him to be a murder :D, mostly these sicko's have bad parents who do not give them freedom
 
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killadoob said:
If you want blame technology, games and tv for the worlds problem i think you are looking in the wrong place.

Tell me should i blame the catholic faith and hate them because a few of their priests enjoy little boys?
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Perhaps you missed my last line??

I said that TV and computers are not bad. It is how it is used.

Perhaps if the priests surfed more porn or better still...If they change it so that they can get married?
 
My thoughts of Christmas carols being used to sell these games (and show their content on television) is just "brilliant" marketing.

Kids these days don't need an advertisement to tell them what they want anymore, they usually hear from their friends before it even gets to them on television... however, that being said, I do want to re-iterate that you need to let your broadcaster know this is not on.

As for your other points, **** happens. I'm not sure if you've heard of the Darwin awards, but stupid people do exist... however, and I'll bet you my gran's chocolate cake (who, btw, you probably know, she lives in Robertson too), that those kids who jumped off fences thinking they're Superman or killed themselves because people were nasty to them on facebook had several underlying issues, most of which I can guarantee stems from improper parenting/policing of content and making sure when they do set their feet outside the house that they understand what's going on out there.

Separating fantasy from fiction is the most important thing you can teach your child other than respect for others.

Your 4 month old grandson can have all the pornographic violent blood drenching explicit games he likes... as long as you adhere to the age restriction of the game and refuse to buy it for him because you're not sure how it will affect him OR make sure he understands full well what fantasy (Santa Clause/Tooth Fairy) and reality is, and that whatever happens in a movie doesn't happen in real life etc.

I've grown up playing games (I'm almost 30 now) and watching movies with age restriction on them.... one big difference though... my parents were WITH me during and usually made me shield my eyes (I used to peek) when the naughty bits came on.

I enjoyed a lot of horror films (I still do) except for Freddy.... and I.T (that ****ing clown gives me the heebie geebies).

Freddy just freaked me out because I love dreaming. I'm the type of person who can control his dream once I realize it's a dream (which is often) or enjoys a nightmare because I know it's not real and I'll wake up again. With Freddy I wasn't going to wake up :eek:

The point is, the best thing you could do for your grandson is to make sure that your son (or your daughter, whichever one got married and spawned) understands that you need to teach children this basic thing. Separating fantasy from reality.

Not in a way where you spoil their fun in playing pretend.... but they'll get to an age where you'll know when it's the right time to talk to them about these things. And waiting till they're in their teens IMO is too late. Especially with sex being such a big thing even in primary schools (shocks me to my core, and sending your child to a private school is like going "Here, go to a whore house and don't try to use any of their drugs")

If the mom/dad thinks it's okay to leave a child unsupervised playing games/watching TV they're breeding, not just another idiot, but possibly a suicide/kill maniac as well HOWEVER I would like to add that those kids are usually brought to those harsh decisions when they're taunted/mocked to no end from other people...

I turned out semi-fine even though I was mocked since I could remember. I'll go home and play my atari where I shoot tanks and other people or bomb stuff.... I wouldn't mind. Or I'll play Mortal Kombat in the arcade, not really for the blood but trying to figure out combo and "death" moves...

Never really tried any of those on my "enemies".....

Those kids who shot other kids or brought a ****ing samurai sword to school were unsupervised brats who had access to **** they weren't suppose to have in the first place unable to tell fantasy from fiction.

It's not their fault and I don't blame them for not feeling guilty about their actions, because I feel the fault lies squarely with the parents. Whenever I see a mom cry about how her child turned out to be this "killer" and how she doesn't know what went wrong I laugh and go "BULL****, YOU KNOW WHAT WENT WRONG, YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO ADMIT ITS YOU FAULT!"
 
Uhmm, here is my honest opinion.

When I grew up, I played DOOM, duke nukem, street fighter etc. and I turned out just fine I think. I also played with toy guns. These games and toys never made me more violent in any way.

However, I can remember watching power rangers and afterwards playing with friends and breaking my arm when I fell on the grass.

All of the time playing these games I knew it was not reality and thinks works different in the real world.
 
hmmm... these people kicking up dust over all this "blood and gore" crap are just like the gamers favorite fool to hate : Jack Thompson

Most people that are against letting kids play games are the same ones that don't actually play games. I've been playing violent games from the humble age of 8, and as it turns out, that's sort of the age most of my mates also enjoyed playing games that had violence in them. However, it's been proven that children in the 6-8 age group learn to see things from other peoples perspectives, and this means that kids will understand that it's not them that are killing those people, it's a character which is meant to do it and you playing said game for entertainment purposes.

The ONLY way a game can influence you is if you already have violent tendencies (you're dad beat you when you were little, so you grew hatred for all living things). The closest I've gotten to becoming a mass murderer is when I've lost playing someone and I get pissed off (I'm a sore loser), one such occasion is when i was playing with my older brother on Tekken, then bastard rubbed it if and I got so pissed off I even broke the remote ;).

Moral of the story, kids will play games, it's the fundamental truth of life, just like how menopausal women enjoy reading love stories/books and middle aged men buy the most childish shyte (a sports car, or a 1000cc motorbike).
 
Yea, I remember when I was younger how angry I used to get when I lost, especially if you've played the whole day, won against your friend each time, and he wins 2 times in a row and then mocks you for being a loser... boiled my blood.

But, I attribute those and the single player game to "frustration" more than anger I suppose. Still have nightmares about that ****...
 
I remember when I was a kid, I played space invaders at the cafe and thought it was real.
Scarred me for life.

Can still hear the music from those nasties advancing. Faster and faster. :(
 
tau1z said:
Does not bother me at all. In fact, I am getting tired of ppl whinging about everything. Kids know the difference between games and reality, to say different is dumb. If its not games its music etc etc.
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I am going to make the assumption that you do not have kids! :rolleyes: Along with many others who are posting in this thread! They will probably also say they cannot see the harm in all the sexual connotations in music nowadays or the swearing on TV! Have kids and then come and answer. And if you do already and this is your view then I hold out little hope for society...

Fsuking new smilies!!!! I keep having to click on more to get the roll eyes one!
 
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Lance you are worried about sexual connotations in music? OMW i doubt a 7 or 8 year old kid would even know WTF they are talking about.

Man some people are crazy.

Music, games, tv do not make people bad or make them do things they would not have done.

Unless lance you think a 13 year old hears britney singing about sex and then goes and bonks some random dude or her b/f because she heard britney sing about it.

That is the same thinking as someone who goes and murders 15 at a school had just played a violent game :D.
 
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I think the original op was a about the link created between xmas and killing
and i agree keep xmas about happy family fun things not gritty killing sprees
n.b.
I am of the opinion that games don't make killers
 
Nothing makes killers but people love to blame music games and tv for the sicko's in this world.

Lance if you are parent i fear for your kids. No movies, violent games and only church music :D.

Bet you your kid either gets someone preggies or gets pregnant by age 16 :D. Over protective parents are worse than games, movies or music. The most messed up kids are messed up because of their parents not what they watch on tv.
 
There killer goes again.

I bet your mom is a 50c hooker on the street and your dad is a crack addict :D





Pretty interesting how fast food outlets are being banned from advertising aimed at kids. Interesting considering kids aren't able to be influenced by what they see and do not make the connections...
 
LancelotSA said:
There killer goes again.

I bet your mom is a 50c hooker on the street and your dad is a crack addict :D





Pretty interesting how fast food outlets are being banned from advertising aimed at kids. Interesting considering kids aren't able to be influenced by what they see and do not make the connections...
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My parents parents were relaxed and chilled so they turned out fine unlike some people's kids who will turn into 50c hookers and crack addicts because their parents never let them experience life so when they did it went badly :D

Hit a sore spot there lance?
 
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