What processor to buy ??

nGAGEd55 said:
The reason I said you dont have to post a whole frekken pricelist is because I don't understand what point you're trying to make by doing so, it certainly doesn't prove that one processor is better than one of the same price.

Bout the X2's, you must have crappy suppliers if they don't have them on their price-lists, all the suppliers i'm registered with have them.
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Read again chappie boy, I just grabbed from any old list not the latest! I am :D at you, not serious at all :p! Problem is to many bratz jump to conclusions for what they read on Internet not knowing facts and not comparing apples with apples! Intel never was scared of the market share AMD gained. It was healthy competition as it held the sharks away from the door, I would say shroud marketing. Look at Microsoft battling with the sharks. Now Intel can deliver supreme components at better prices and power/watt performance as standard and quicker too! make lots of bucks, flood the market and cannot be blamed as anti competitive. AMD will become a exclusive AMD supporters club, like vintage cars, with you as president! So where does that leave AMD? Why would Intel have worried? Amd must be!

Me think you worry to much and do not want to see the cost prices here as PPL will see how you gouge them! :) (Joking)

Peace and have fun!
 
pupa said:
NB! Remember these are cost excluding!! Bundle means price if purchased with Mobo!

AMD® ATHLON64™ Socket 940 M2 Boxed Retail Processors

CP-ADA30BX940M2
R 750
BUNDLE
AMD® Athlon™ 64 3000+ Socket 940 M2 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 512K cache - Boxed With AMD Fan

CP-ADA32BX940M2
R 950
BUNDLE
AMD® Athlon™ 64 3200+ Socket 940 M2 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 512K cache - Boxed With AMD Fan

CP-ADA35BX940M2
R 1,400
BUNDLE
AMD® Athlon™ 64 3500+ Socket 940 M2 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 512K cache - Boxed With AMD Fan

CP-ADA35BX940M2
R 1,950
BUNDLE
AMD® Athlon™ 64 3800+ Socket 940 M2 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 512K cache - Boxed With AMD Fan
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I ask again where are the X2's? X2's are Dual Core you are giving prices on single core chips? :confused:

Anyway ATM AMD Dual Core CPU's are by far superior to anything Intel has to offer. Conroe will change things tho. Cant wait to see how AMD fires back at intel. my 4400+ will still last me for some time.
 
And your bias towards AMD makes your vote and expertise useless too!! and it does not count either then . Many here also think different but to not want to quibble with kids! as not everyone is in time wasting gaming and overclocking like the young bratz! Some use their computers! not as toys as tools! Dell only found AMD good enough now, too late as now they saw the Conroe coming!
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Now, now slow down a little.
Now lets understand one thing. Majority of overclockers are in their mid twenties and older. Why? How many 16 year olds do you know that can afford 5~10K CPU's, motherboards and graphics cards?
How many overclockers do you know personally?

Why Dell never used AMD has nothing to do with performance, but a deal Dell had with Intel that has probably been in place for years on end.
Why Dell does not go with AMD has nothing to do with quality. HP probably builds the best servers second to IBM and guess what? They do use cluseters based on AMD Opteron's.

Intel never was scared of the market share AMD gained. It was healthy competition as it held the sharks away from the door, I would say shroud marketing.
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During the lifetime of the Pentium4 Intel fired over 10,000 employees. This didn't happen out of the blue, it happened because they couldn't match AMD's product and that had a direct impacrt on revenue etc... Intel also threw out many of their roadmaps because of AMD's CPU's. That is why the P3 architecture was brought back to form the basis of Centrino ~ Kentsfield.

Indeed AMD was eating into Intel's market share in Desktop computing.
It doesn't take a fanboy to know that, it's obvious.
As superior as the Conroe is to any AMD CPU, that does not make the Pentium4 all of a sudden a good CPU.
Tim Sweeney of Epic said it best, that the Pentium 4 was rubbish from inception through to its demise. (Save for the few gems like the 3.06C and 2.4B/C)

I'e been with AMD since 2000. I'd rather not have a PC than use a Pentium4 Prescott/Smithfield etc...
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To get back to the question.
Go with a dual Core CPU if you can. No point in a brand new single core cpu these days. There's a difference in games when using using a dual core vs single core. X2 3800+ should be fine.
 
ShockG said:
I'e been with AMD since 2000. I'd rather not have a PC than use a Pentium4 Prescott/Smithfield etc...
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eish, thats tough love bruvva.
*stares at his flock of intel sheep* dont worry boys, I am sure he didnt mean it in that way
hark, my son's 3400+ is suddenly smiling..what is this strange phenomenon?

lol
booze...gotta love the stuff.
 
Conroe is a LOT quicker than almost every AMD.
AMD is about to cut price up to 46% in July.
 
Ap0c said:
Conroe is a LOT quicker than almost every AMD.
AMD is about to cut price up to 46% in July.
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Well that's just about the only thing AMD can do right now. They'll have to focus on the lower end of the market for a while with their current CPU's untill they can fight back, hopefully with K8L.
 
nGAGEd55 said:
Well that's just about the only thing AMD can do right now. They'll have to focus on the lower end of the market for a while with their current CPU's untill they can fight back, hopefully with K8L.
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Yeah, But by then Intel will have flooded the market and have another few series released AMD fanny boy! Pentium M, Conroe, Conroe+ Nvidia will release SLI4 for Intel Conroe etc!

So eat your hearts out Fanny boys. Intel is back!

Many companies reduced labour at the same time, Motor industries, steel etc. Its a disease of modern times! The days of free riding are over!

I never said the P4 is the best, the difference between P4 and the AMD is to small to be concerned about unless you are a overclocker or game fanatic and mount your CPU in the deep freeze! How stupid! The cost and effort could have upgraded the CPU speed at stock!

So what If AMD reduce prices, Intel can afford to follow suit as they see the Conroe as a desktop mass user system sooner than later! Amd will take another 2 Years to build capacity to challenge Intel on the 65 nm level and Intel are already talking 35nm! The script is on the wall. As I said excellent marketing scheme from Intel, I always wondered what was their problem, the plan worked! Now they will have 2 years of bliss without any sharks to bite!

A week ago I wanted this for my son

MB-AM2N32-SLI-D R 1,699 ASUS® NVIDIA nForce® 590 SLI
CP-ADA35BX940M2 R 1,950 BUNDLE AMD® Athlon™ 64 3800+ Socket 940 M2 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology
7900GT x 2 SLI

Then I saw this http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1198&l1=3&l2=11&l3=248

So now I contemplate the future mobo's soon will be this

One of the new Asus "Digital home" versions like P5W DH Deluxe
Conroe?,
7900GT x 1, to be upgraded to 7950X2 TDH*1, or 2* ATI Crossfire cards, depending on current and future supported cards from Asus on mobo!

and

One future Asus? NVIDIA nForce® 590 SLI "Intel version" Mobo ??????????
Conroe?,
7900GT x 2 SLI

If above is not available by Christmas I will reconsider AMD above or maybe just wait longer!

The AMD (spit) X2 and AM2 (as already posted!) prices
Again cost excluding!

AMD® ATHLON64™X2™ Dual Core Processors : Socket 939 Processor Boxed Parts
ADAX2-38BX939 R 2,095 AMD® Athlon™ 64-X2 3800+ SOCKET 939 Dual Core 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 2x512K Cache - Boxed
ADAX2-42BX939 R 2,495 AMD® Athlon™ 64-X2 4200+ SOCKET 939 Dual Core 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 2x512K Cache - Boxed
ADAX2-44BX939 R 3,250 AMD® Athlon™ 64-X2 4400+ SOCKET 939 Dual Core 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 2x1024K Cache-Boxed
ADAX2-46BX939 R 4,050 AMD® Athlon™ 64-X2 4600+ SOCKET 939 Dual Core 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 2x512K Cache - Boxed
ADAX2-48BX939 R 4,650 AMD® Athlon™ 64-X2 4800+ SOCKET 939 Dual Core 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 2x1024K Cache-Boxed


AMD® ATHLON64™ Socket 940 M2 Boxed Retail Processors
R 750 BUNDLE AMD® Athlon™ 64 3000+ Socket 940 M2 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 512K cache - Boxed With AMD Fan
R 950 BUNDLE AMD® Athlon™ 64 3200+ Socket 940 M2 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 512K cache - Boxed With AMD Fan
R 1,400 BUNDLE AMD® Athlon™ 64 3500+ Socket 940 M2 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 512K cache - Boxed With AMD Fan
R 1,950 BUNDLE AMD® Athlon™ 64 3800+ Socket 940 M2 64-Bit With HyperTransport Technology, L1 128K, L2 512K cache - Boxed With AMD Fan
AMD® Opteron™ Processors : Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Boxed Parts
R 2,299 BUNDLE AMD® Opteron™ 165 Socket 939 Dual Processor Series 1.8GHz With 3 HyperTransport Link, 2x128K L1, L2x1MB L2 - Boxed
R 2,399 BUNDLE AMD® Opteron™ 170 Socket 939 Dual Processor Series 2.0GHz With 3 HyperTransport Link, 2x128K L1, L2x1MB L2 - Boxed
R 3,599 BUNDLE AMD® Opteron™ 180 Socket 939 Dual Processor Series 2.2GHz With 3 HyperTransport Link, 2x128K L1, L2x1MB L2 - Boxed
R 4,699 BUNDLE AMD® Opteron™ 185 Socket 939 Dual Processor Series 2.4GHz With 3 HyperTransport Link, 2x128K L1, L2x1MB L2 - Boxed

AM2NPV-VM R 699 ASUS® NVIDIA GeForce ™6150/nForce ™430, AMD Live Ready, Socket AM2, 4x Dual Channel DDR2-800 , 4xSATA2(Raid0/1/0+1/5), 2xATA133
Integrated GeForce6 GPU, Dual VGA Ouput: DVI-D & RGB, HDTV out interface,AD1986A 5.1 audio, NVIDIA Gigabit LAN, 2xIEEE1394a

AM2N-SLI-D R 1,399 ASUS® NVIDIA nForce® 570 SLI™ MCP, AMD Live ready, Socket AM2, 4x Dual Channel DDR2-800 , 2xPCI-Expressx16, 2xPCI-Ex1,3xPCI
6xSATA2(RAID 0,1, 0+1,5 & JBOD span cross Serial ATA drives), 1xATA133, Dual Gbt LAN controllers support NVIDIA DualNet®Technology
ADI 1988B 8-channel High Definition Audio CODEC, 2 x IEEE1394a, Max. 10xUSB
AM2N32-SLI-D R 1,699 ASUS® NVIDIA nForce® 590 SLI™ MCP, AMD Live ready, Socket AM2, 4x Dual Channel DDR2-800 , 2xPCI-Expressx16 Full Speed, 2xPCI-Ex1,3xPCI
6xSATA2(RAID 0,1, 0+1,5 & JBOD span cross Serial ATA drives), 1xATA133, Dual Gbt LAN controllers support NVIDIA DualNet®Technology
ADI 1988B 8-channel High Definition Audio CODEC, 2 x IEEE1394a, Max. 10xUSB
 
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pupa said:
Yeah, But by then Intel will have flooded the market and have another few series released AMD fanny boy! Pentium M, Conroe, Conroe+ Nvidia will release SLI4 for Intel Conroe etc!

So eat your hearts out Fanny boys. Intel is back!
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I'm only stating the fact that the current AMD chips are much better than current Intel chip. I'm not some "AMD fanny boy", once conroe is out, i'm sure as hell gonna try and get my hands on one as fast as I can.

The only "fanny boy" here is you.
 
without starting a long long intel vs amd debate, lemme just say that to the avergae joe in the street he can buy whatever he wants, thye are all fast enough for general pc usage.
but intels chips in the last few years have been rubbish compared to amd in strict benchmarks, lets not split hairs, I have owned practically all of the rubbish, as well as some amd systems (3000+, 3400+ mobile and a 4000+) and the amd were nicer systems from a cpu point of view...cooler running, smaller cpu heatsinks and less noise.

right now, amd is still the better chip (exclusing yonah/core solo/core duo)
but intel does have it's act together. the conroe is a leap ahead, and when amd counters we will all benefit. I do not pledge allegiance to any particular brand, but buy whatever works best for the task at hand. so this intel/amd stuff amazes me...just buy whatever works best for what you want...:-)

I posted in the conroe thread...got 4th place on the custom pc benchmarks rankings with an x6800 conroe. turns out that is actually second place (1st, 2nd and 3rd are all the same machine, succesive runs), so, right now in the uk modding scene, a stock conroe x6800 is the second fastest thing going in multimedia and multitasking applications. The rig that is ahead of me is an fx60 owned by the guy that runs http://extremeprometeia.com ...yes, an fx60 overclocked to moer and gone with a prometeia fridge strapped to it running balls out scored 5% higher than an absolutely stock conroe rig. Even the owner admits the fight for amd is lost and an intel cpu is next in line for purchase. By this, you can tell that intel have won for now. WHEN conroe is out, then we can applaud it's merits, in the meantime, skt939 cpu's are the best bang for buck, considering amd's recent price cuts, assuming you HAVE to get a new system in the coming weeks....else...wait.

I know I cant calm the waters between the intel and amd crew, but we all have to admit that it a swings and roundabouts game...whomever releases new technology will lead until the opponent counters. AMD have had a nice time, now it's intels turn. But dont glorify intels past cpu's. They werent all that...in fact the nicest one I have is a 2.2ghz northwood 400fsb...runs cool and does the job. I would say since prescott came out things havent been rosy. Smithfield was a disaster...presler was a bit better, but being a bit better than rubbish isnt exactly an achievement. The mobiles filling the centrino lineups have all been champs though:-)
 
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werner said:
without starting a long long intel vs amd debate, lemme just say that to the avergae joe in the street he can buy whatever he wants, thye are all fast enough for general pc usage.
but intels chips in the last few years have been rubbish compared to amd in strict benchmarks, lets not split hairs, I have owned practically all of the rubbish, as well as some amd systems (3000+, 3400+ mobile and a 4000+) and the amd were nicer systems from a cpu point of view...cooler running, smaller cpu heatsinks and less noise.

right now, amd is still the better chip (exclusing yonah/core solo/core duo)
but intel does have it's act together. the conroe is a leap ahead, and when amd counters we will all benefit. I do not pledge allegiance to any particular brand, but buy whatever works best for the task at hand. so this intel/amd stuff amazes me...just buy whatever works best for what you want...:-)

I posted in the conroe thread...got 4th place on the custom pc benchmarks rankings with an x6800 conroe. turns out that is actually second place (1st, 2nd and 3rd are all the same machine, succesive runs), so, right now in the uk modding scene, a stock conroe x6800 is the second fastest thing going in multimedia and multitasking applications. The rig that is ahead of me is an fx60 owned by the guy that runs http://extremeprometeia.com ...yes, an fx60 overclocked to moer and gone with a prometeia fridge strapped to it running balls out scored 5% higher than an absolutely stock conroe rig. Even the owner admits the fight for amd is lost and an intel cpu is next in line for purchase. By this, you can tell that intel have won for now. WHEN conroe is out, then we can applaud it's merits, in the meantime, skt939 cpu's are the best bang for buck, considering amd's recent price cuts, assuming you HAVE to get a new system in the coming weeks....else...wait.

I know I cant calm the waters between the intel and amd crew, but we all have to admit that it a swings and roundabouts game...whomever releases new technology will lead until the opponent counters. AMD have had a nice time, now it's intels turn. But dont glorify intels past cpu's. They werent all that...in fact the nicest one I have is a 2.2ghz northwood 400fsb...runs cool and does the job. I would say since prescott came out things havent been rosy. Smithfield was a disaster...presler was a bit better, but being a bit better than rubbish isnt exactly an achievement. The mobiles filling the centrino lineups have all been champs though:-)
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Well summarized. Fact is I never saw Intel move so fast as currently the case, Pentium M, dual core, Dual core 2 all in short succession and that is a major change in strategy, no more holding back for the dissipation of older technology?. They have capacity and they have speed. What AMD do not have now and in the short term!
 
pupa said:
Well summarized. Fact is I never saw Intel move so fast as currently the case, Pentium M, dual core, Dual core 2 all in short succession and that is a major change in strategy, no more holding back for the dissipation of older technology?. They have capacity and they have speed. What AMD do not have now and in the short term!
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you probably mean Core Duo, and Core 2 Duo? :rolleyes:
 
nGAGEd55 said:
I'm only stating the fact that the current AMD chips are much better than current Intel chip. I'm not some "AMD fanny boy", once conroe is out, i'm sure as hell gonna try and get my hands on one as fast as I can.

The only "fanny boy" here is you.
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Read Werners post, It staeswhat I said. Intel is and was good enough for 99% of the tasks untill the gamers tried to sqeeze the last bit out of a cheap chip. That does not qualify IMHO. On average use or if you wanted SLI then Yes AMD was....WAS...good! but intel too!

Werner How you see the new Asus Mobo as I listed below. What your take!

Soory man If I am the fanny boy you must be the Funny boy :) :) I thought it the other way round. Anyway If you were alive and well when AMD first brought out their shiit and you battled like we had too You would also be a Intel fanny boy as at least it worked and between Intel and Asus I never had major comebacks or shiit! since I dropped AMD at the time! I was just never lured by the yappie boy speed and performace cr@p on performace as Intel worked for me. What is 2 or 10 more FPS in 60 or 70 range and then adding a deepfreeze on top of the Mobo??? Cmon! Like an bicycle with aerial and orange on tip! :D
 
nGAGEd55 said:
you probably mean Core Duo, and Core 2 Duo? :rolleyes:
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Yep! Whatever
Also define "much" better? maybe bitter yes but much no!
 
pupa said:
Read Werners post, It staeswhat I said. Intel is and was good enough for 99% of the tasks untill the gamers tried to sqeeze the last bit out of a cheap chip. That does not qualify IMHO. On average use or if you wanted SLI then Yes AMD was....WAS...good! but intel too!
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Yes, Intel is good enough for most tasks, but that still doesnt mean AMD isn't better at them :p
 
nGAGEd55 said:
Yes, Intel is good enough for most tasks, but that still doesnt mean AMD isn't better at them :p
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Again which tasks?
Gaming
Muliprocessing
Floating point
Office programs
Power use
Cost
 
My opinion to Excutioner. If it is mainly gaming you want it for rather spend it on a good single core. If however you might in the foreseeable future do more than just gaming, you need to decide if you need to be able to multitask. Only for multitasking i would recommend a dual core. Just as an example, i have the 4400+ and i can without noticing anything rip and burn dvd's while playing CSS online.
 
pupa said:
Again which tasks?
Gaming
Muliprocessing
Floating point
Office programs
Power use
Cost
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Yes.

(vs. Pentium, of course. Conroe should be a different matter).
 
I read an article on Intel in fortune magazine a while ago, and some things to look at include:

1) People like to compare Intel to AMD, however the size difference between the companies is HUGE (Revenue, and employees).

2) Intel is losing desktop market share.

3) Intel doesn’t make their money from desktop PC's, they make it from mobility sales. (More laptops are sold yearly than PC's)

AMD:
2005 Sales (mil.) $5,847.6
2004 Employees 15,900

Intel:
2005 Sales (mil.) $38,826.0
2005 Employees 99,900

They didnt have the stats for AMD employees 2005, but they usually frow between 10-15%.

The real money is in mobility, and thats where both companies are going to be focusing.
It also doesnt help that up to now Dell wasnt shipping AMD.
 
Here's what it is Pupa. You are clearly not an overclocker and have no interest in it. And that's fine, but don't then bash the ones who do overclock and have found AMD to be superior for several years runnign now.
Yes one puts in a lot of effort for an extra 10~15fps, but that translates into massive scores.

For the same reason I'm not particularly a fan of drag racing, I don't bash it, because to the ones who participate in it. It's perfectly justified. :)

And once again that Intel has 35nm gates has no bearing on performance. Indirectly yes, but that assumes a linear scaling of performance, which is hardly what you get in computing ever. AMD A64 Newcastle on 130nm is sill faster than Intel P4 65nm. Different architectures? Yes indeed.
Intel has better fabs than AMD and that is not new nor does it have any relevance to performance.

Gaming: Yes AMD is better here by some margin too.
Muliprocessing: Depends. SSE3 optimized proggies run better on Intel machines, but only by a certain percentage. Once again, it would have to be per program.
Floating point: AMD, by saome margin too.
Office programs: Which ones?
Power use: AMD currenlty runs much cooler than the P4's and has always been cooler actually and required less power.

Cost: Subjective no?

Also, There was no plan by Intel to lose to AMD so they could come out with Conroe. P4 was a bad bet and they themselves know it and have never tried to hide it (especially of late). You can never plan on losing against your main opposition in the hopes of garnering a huge come back that rides on one technology. That would be an ill-conceived plan and Intel is by far smarter than that even though it didn't show with Pentium4.
 
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