What processor to buy ??

Why do people bash other people's hobbies? I see overclocking as a hobby (not for myself) and those who enjoy it, good. You should see some of the stuff going around in the audio circles (some of them can take a bashing or two ;) ) In the end everyone does what they enjoy and who can say it is wrong?
 
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Here's what it is Pupa. You are clearly not an overclocker and have no interest in it. And that's fine, but don't then bash the ones who do overclock and have found AMD to be superior for several years runnign now.
And AMD's aren't only good for overclocking, even at stock speeds they'll beat a Pentium :cool:
 
ShockG said:
Here's what it is Pupa. You are clearly not an overclocker and have no interest in it. And that's fine, but don't then bash the ones who do overclock and have found AMD to be superior for several years runnign now.

In My home there is 5 PC's running all stock "overclocked" So the usual assumption is wrong. I just do not see the benefit of mounting a fridge on a processor if that money could have contributed to a better performance chip. Different if for the thrill and hobby you want to break the world record for that specific chip or brand. That is a interest for me too as I am in electronics and modding have a soft spot in my heart. But for the right reasons only

And once again that Intel has 35nm gates has no bearing on performance. Indirectly yes, but that assumes a linear scaling of performance, which is hardly what you get in computing ever. AMD A64 Newcastle on 130nm is sill faster than Intel P4 65nm. Different architectures? Yes indeed.
Intel has better fabs than AMD and that is not new nor does it have any relevance to performance.

It relates to power speed and cost. Thus the chips can be pushed at higher speeds if it can handle the heat better. Therefore the dual cores or the amount of transistors on one die is directly related to performance and speed!

Gaming: Yes AMD is better here by some margin too.
Muliprocessing: Depends. SSE3 optimized proggies run better on Intel machines, but only by a certain percentage. Once again, it would have to be per program.
Floating point: AMD, by saome margin too.
Office programs: Which ones?
Power use: AMD currenlty runs much cooler than the P4's and has always been cooler actually and required less power.

Cost: Subjective no?

Also, There was no plan by Intel to lose to AMD so they could come out with Conroe. P4 was a bad bet and they themselves know it and have never tried to hide it (especially of late). You can never plan on losing against your main opposition in the hopes of garnering a huge come back that rides on one technology. That would be an ill-conceived plan and Intel is by far smarter than that even though it didn't show with Pentium4.

If Intel did not "allow" AMD to gain market share the CC sharks would have been on them for sure. so what if AMD has a small share to keep the sharks away. Apart from the P4 problems they in the past released upgrades on a planned shedule. Now it seems the strategy changed somewhat! So Intel now have the clear for a few years to gain more than AMD until AMD cry wolf again!
 
pupa said:
In My home there is 5 PC's running all stock "overclocked" So the usual assumption is wrong. I just do not see the benefit of mounting a fridge on a processor if that money could have contributed to a better performance chip.
Overclocking an AMD chip that would cost about R1000 to one that would cost R5000 certainly doesnt require that you mount a fridge or any over the top cooling to it, just a good hsf and some proper thermal paste will do.

You seem to forget that AMD's run MUCH MUCH cooler than the Pentiums.

And that statement that Intel "allowed" AMD to gain market share is just plain stupid.
 
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Those Athlon 939 prices are mighty high pupa. You sure you got it right? (#14 & #15)
 
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AMD chasis, what to get, where to get it.

I need to house some brand new pc hardware, cpu, m/b, hdd, etc. The system being built is an amd athlon 64 based one.

Can any of you suggest a low-priced case suitable enuf for amd in terms of cooling and stuff like that.

:confused:
 
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