What qualification?

[sn3rd]

The multimedia guys that I knew were taking Poetry. I guess then it was an elective (which doesn't say much for them).

The math really isn't too bad. Dynamics is not fun, but computer engineers don't do a separate Dynamics course (that is reserved for the rest of the engineers).

If you want a good reason not to do Computer Engineering, it's EOK320: Optical Communication Networks

 

[Gnome]

But programming is not the only form of problem-solving, agreed?

I never said that, I said I believe that BSc(CS) is better at programming problem solving than BEng(CE). When it comes to circuits you guys whip us, BADLY.

And the course as a whole is cool.

AI used to be presented by Prof Ettiene Barnard, but has since been taken over by Prof Olivier

Ah ok, probably the guy from CS. Anyway trust me COS334 (AI) is no fun.

 

[sn3rd]

I never said that, I said I believe that BSc(CS) is better at programming problem solving than BEng(CE). When it comes to circuits you guys whip us, BADLY.

And the course as a whole is cool.



Ah ok, probably the guy from CS. Anyway trust me COS334 (AI) is no fun.

Again: I'm sure the modules tackle the subject from very different perspectives. Prof Olivier is a mad-man.

 

[SuPaStA]

Hmm, I don't think I'm going to comment on the quality of those certificates but the fact that you find them better than a BSc or CE degree is laughable.

Go look how much they pay for a ccie qualification.

 

[sn3rd]

Go look how much they pay for a ccie qualification.

Cisco qualifications are definitely valuable. In Europe, businesses are willing to pay a mint for people with the right Cisco certifications.

But you can't honestly think I believe that people with B.Eng (Computer) degrees are working in call centres...

 

[Gnome]

Go look how much they pay for a ccie qualification.

Yes I wasn't referring to a CCIE, most of those people spend the equivalent of a degree on preparation. I was more specifically referring to those M$ certificates and a CCNA. BEng(CE) students get a CCNA as standard part of their course but to compare a degree to a CCNA, well, no comment.

 

[SuPaStA]

Mate I know of about 5 out of about 17 in our call centre.

 

[.Froot.]

Don't forget we (BEngComp) also do the majority of the Cisco courses: IT Ess (changed now, however), CCNA, CCIE.

 

[Gnome]

No, not CCIE, I think you go up to a CCNP

 

[.Froot.]

Mate I know of about 5 out of about 17 in our call centre.

They probably dropped out. Computer Engineers in general are the highest paid computer-qualified people out there. Probably because BEngComp is the second hardest course at Tuks (it used to be the hardest until Actuarial Sciences came along)

 

[SuPaStA]

Yes I wasn't referring to a CCIE, most of those people spend the equivalent of a degree on preparation. I was more specifically referring to those M$ certificates and a CCNA. BEng(CE) students get a CCNA as standard part of their course but to compare a CCNA, well, no comment.

Thats the problem people think they done it as part of their degree, they qualified ccna.
You need to go and write the exam at a prometric/vuw centre to become cisco certified.

I know so many people who done "ccna" in uni but know nothing regarding networking, someone who done a ccna course and then wrote the official exam actually knows about networking.

 

[Gnome]

I personally think Chemical Engineering is harder than both Actuarial and CE

 

[Gnome]

Thats the problem people think they done it as part of their degree, they qualified ccna.
You need to go and write the exam at a prometric/vuw centre to become cisco certified.

They write the same test, what more do you want?

EDIT: Sry for double post

 

[.Froot.]

Thats the problem people think they done it as part of their degree, they qualified ccna.
You need to go and write the exam at a prometric/vuw centre to become cisco certified.

I know so many people who done "ccna" in uni but know nothing regarding networking, someone who done a ccna course and then wrote the official exam actually knows about networking.

Yeah I know. I did the qualification last year. Was quite fun. There are two places in South Africa that does the qualification. Only problem is that it is only valid for three years.

Oh, and we do the Cisco modules during the holidays. No time for that during the semester.

 

[SuPaStA]

They write the same test, what more do you want?

EDIT: Sry for double post

no they dont write the cisco designed test, its the uni's own test.
In the cisco exam you cant go back after answering a question/pass mark is over 83% (if i remember correct)/You also timed when doing a simulation.

 

[.Froot.]

no they dont write the cisco designed test, its the uni's own test.
In the cisco exam you cant go back after answering a question/pass mark is over 83% (if i remember correct)/You also timed when doing a simulation.

Your memory needs some refreshing. The exams we do for Cisco at the university is set by Cisco but is not the same as the qualification exam.

 

[SuPaStA]

Your memory needs some refreshing. The exams we do for Cisco at the university is set by Cisco but is not the same as the qualification exam.

Hence at the end you not recognised a cisco engineer.
Your exams you can go back after answering a question/your pass mark is not as high and simulations u not timed.
Your questions are also not taken from the updated cisco exam pool.

It boils down to a person who leaves uni is a jack of all trades but a master of none.

 

[sn3rd]

5 people with B.Eng (Computer) degrees?!?! That doesn't sound right at ALL. Either they're dropouts, or it's not a B.Eng (Computer), but rather some or other "computer engineering" that these diploma-mills are offering.

The test that is written by the B.Eng (Computer) guys is a Cisco-designed test. You don't, however, get the official certification after completing the module.

Chemical Engineering is overrated. So is Actuarial Science (to a certain extent). I don't think it's really fair to compare degrees in different fields, but there are definitely ways in which Act. Sci guys are getting it easy, and ways in which they are getting pummeled!!!

 

[sn3rd]

Hence at the end you not recognised a cisco engineer.
Your exams you can go back after answering a question/your pass mark is not as high and simulations u not timed.
Your questions are also not taken from the updated cisco exam pool.

It boils down to a person who leaves uni is a jack of all trades but a master of none.

I've done both: They are on par. Did you do Computer Engineering at the University Of Pretoria? Unless you have, then you have no idea what it is that is done there.

 

[.Froot.]

No, not CCIE, I think you go up to a CCNP

No, I am actually busy with my CCIE. CCNP is at the end of 3rd year, whilst CCNA is end1st, begining3rd.