What specs to play BFBC2 and COD4?

Pada said:
I have NEVER seen that happening! I know the 5770's scale well, but the 460's scaling are exceptional!
I had 2x GTX460 768MB and the framerate almost doubled going from 1x GTX460 to 2x.

You'll never regret buying a CoolerMaster GX550W PSU.
You should be able to get away with the Gigabyte Odin 585 for an i5 760 + GTX460, but then again,
you could also get away with a Corsair CX400W.
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If I went with a Odin 585 / Corsair CX400W what would the downside be, like any risk that it won't be enough or something?
 
Uli said:
2x 5770 perform almost as good as the 5870 and for allot less cash, plus 2 x 5770 outperform 2 x 460 easily, but it also depends on what games you want to play as each game is optimized differently, but for BFBC2, ATI is the partner in crime ... :)
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Lol?!! the 460 SLI beat 5770 xfire even in BFBC2
http://techreport.com/articles.x/19404/7
http://www.techspot.com/review/309-geforce-gtx-460-sli-performance/page5.html

Get the i5 760 if you want quad core! It really is imo the best price performance quad for gaming.. It even beats the 1090T in most games!
I will say that I doubt you will notice a difference between the i5 and 965 when gaming as the difference in fps is not that big an issue if you have a decent GPU...
Which is why I'd say get the 460 1GB if you have the cash, best price performance card out.. Look for archers thread he went through quite a bit of work to prove it :)

EDIT: Look the odins will work and many people have not had any problems with it but meh I wouldn't buy it.. I'd go for corsair vx450, or the gx550. But either will work..
I have an i5 750 @3.2 and 5770 running off an OCZ 400w, so the cx might be up for it, but the 460 uses about 30w more than the 5770 so that why I'd say don't go lower than a 450w, especially if you want to keep some head room for future upgrades or more HDD's etc..
 
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The i5 760 = 95W TDP and the GTX460 1GB = 160W TDP.
Add those up, and you're at 255W. You can add another 50W or so for the other components, if you don't have that many hard drives or fans. (eg. 2 HDD's + 4 fans), which still leaves you with enough room for capacitor again or even some slight overclocking, seeing as the CX400W is rated for 360W on the +12V rails in total.

Overclocking would increase your power usage in an exponential way: Power = Voltage^2 / Resistance
So I would actually stay away from it if you're going for a budget PSU!

The issue with the budget PSU's are that they don't come with 2x PCI-E connectors that you would require for a GTX460, AND that they're current that they can provide on the +12V rails usually aren't enough, although their total power that they can provide is.
Usually the peripherals (HDD's, CD-Rom & Fans) runs off the 2nd +12V rail, so do make sure that you have at least 4A spare on it!

A simple calculation would give you the minimum current that is required on the +12V rails for the CPU & GPU.
TDP / 12 = current. eg. 95W TDP / 12V = ~8A; 160W TDP / 12V = ~ 14A
So you'll need a PSU with at least 18A on its second +12V rail to be on the safe side of things.

Now the cool thing about the Corsair CX400W is that it has a SINGLE +12V rail! Which means that it could handle a pretty high end graphics card / many peripherals as long as your CPU uses little power.

The Gigabyte Odin 585 has 2x +12V rails (rated 16A & 18A respectively), which means that it is rated for about 408W on the +12V rail which is slightly more than the CX400W. Now the downside of the 2x 12V rails is that the one for the graphics card and peripherals is limited to only 18A, where you could've used about 22A for the graphics card and peripherals with the CX400W if you're using a i5 at stock speed.
The advantage with the Odin and its 2x 12V rails is that it can take a bigger CPU and allow you to overclock it without running into problems.
Unfortunately both of these 2 power supplies would require a Molex to 6-pin PCI-E adapter if you were to get a GTX460 that requires 2x 6-pin PCI-E connectors.

The Coolermaster GX550W doesn't have ANY of these problems, but then again, you pay twice the amount for it.
 
Very nice explanation Pada.

Thats why a said the 450 as It gives you nice room to OC.. And with the i5 760's being very easy to OC I'm sure you will ;)
 
Thanks a lot guys, will be going for the GX550W, I'm sure it will be a solid investment. And the 5 year warranty is nice :)

In terms of RAM, will DDR3 1333 be fine or would 1600 be better?

And will Windows 7 64bit run on my machine or should I get 32bit?
 
Only go for DDR3 1600 if you're going to overclock. The performance increase that you'll get from DDR3 1333 vs. DDR3 1600 is minimal.

Definitely go for Win7 x64. Win7 x86 will only give you access to 3GB RAM + it might be slightly slower too.
 
Pada said:
Only go for DDR3 1600 if you're going to overclock. The performance increase that you'll get from DDR3 1333 vs. DDR3 1600 is minimal.

Definitely go for Win7 x64. Win7 x86 will only give you access to 3GB RAM + it might be slightly slower too.
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@Pada: Awesome thanks. Oh and what made you decide on the MSI Cyclone (saw you had in another thread)?

I'll be ordering Win 7 Home Premium x64 and decided to go for the 1600 RAM :)

In terms of mobo's, is this Asus P7H55M (R1025) fine or is it worth it to spend R300 more and get the USB3 version? I did read something about USB3 on H55 limiting the PCIe lanes or something but I don't know how/if that will affect me?
 
I haven't been able to find decent reviews on the other GTX460's that are in stock at Prophecy Shop, and the reviews of the MSI Cyclone's are pretty good.
Unfortunately I haven't had a response from Artagra yet. I guess he was very busy / not in the office today (yesterday actually). I'll let you know as soon as I get a response back.

I've bought Win7 x64 Home Premium as well, and after I installed it I saw that it doesn't have the remote desktop server like Win7 Pro has :(
You can install it afterwards by downloading the necessary files (illegally) :D

You can get the Asus P7H55M/USB3 for under R1200 (incl shipping) from either Sybaritic, ZAPS Online or PCInt. I would say that it is worth it for an extra R150, because you get USB3 + SATA3 (6Gbps).
Yes, the H55 chipset is limited in terms of USB3 speed due to the shared PCI-E lane with the graphics card.
The only time that you would get a bottleneck is if you use your graphics card to the max and then try to use the USB3 device to the max as well.
 
Thanks for all the help everyone - I've finally placed my order with Prophecy and then ordered the motherboard (P7H55M/USB3) from Nivo (R1109).

@Pada: hehe I too decided the Cyclone was worth it - was not keen to risk getting a noisy Inno3D card and I wanted to place my order asap:)

In the end I went for:

i5 760
Asus P7H55M/USB3
Corsair CMX4GX3M2A1600C9 XMS3 2x2GB DDR3-1600 1.65v CL9
MSI GeForce GTX 460 OC Cyclone 1GB GDDR5 256-Bit
Coolermaster RS550-ACAAE3 GX 550w

Can't wait to receive my goodies :D
 
Even 1333 is perfectly fine, as I doubt you will notice any difference between the speeds, well except in benchmark numbers.
 
Thanks peanut, I ended up doing some googling on it and came to the same conclusion.

Got all my goodies delivered today sans my mobo (hopefully tomorrow), can't wait to build it!
 
That sounds a pretty nice rig for gaming and should handle most games on the market, Enjoy it
 
gwainw said:
That sounds a pretty nice rig for gaming and should handle most games on the market, Enjoy it
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Thanks man, I haven't had a gaming rig for about 8 years so I'm flippin amped - going to build this afternoon :D
 
Howzit Guys. Anybody here playing BFBC2 with a Nvidia Geforce GTX 460 1G Cyclone? A mate of mine has it installed and when playing BFBC2 Multiplayer, it takes on average about 45 seconds to a minute longer to load the next stage. Current driver version is 8.17.12.6099 (installed from the disk). When checking on the Nvidia site for the latest driver it lists the driver version as 260.99. Tried installing it, rebooted PC, but BC2 still taking ages to load. He has Windows 7 Home Premium Installed as his O/S. Any advice?
 
I can tell you that my Call of Duty Black Ops also takes very long (compared to CoD4) to load with my i7 940 @ 3GHz, 120GB SSD & 2x MSI GTX 460 Cyclone 1GB.

I'm not sure how long BFBC2 is supposed to load though...
I'll quickly try to join a BFBC2 game and I'll report back in a few minutes.
 
BFBC2 took about 45 seconds to load each map, which is faster than Black Ops is currently loading, and I'm playing both games with everything maxed out at 1680x1050.
 
Hi Pada thanks for the test :-) He's running a i7 950 @ 3.06Ghz but with only the one GTX460 installed. Another thing a little off topic, those cards has two 6 pin power connectors. Does both of them need to be connected? His is at the moment, but its the first card I've seen that has two. His resolution is at 1920 x 1080, I made sure its the same in Windows and in the game. Its not like the game freezes or anything, but he's just finding it a little annoying that he has to wait that long before it loads. Thanks again.
 
Yeah, both 6-pin connectors has to be connected!

I think the only reason why my Black Ops is loading that long is due to my 384kbps connection, because the game loads in like under 10 seconds, but then it takes another 40 seconds at the "Waiting for players" stage.

So ja, BFBC2 is loading quite long then. Tell your friend to check if the game loads faster on lower detail.
 
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