Whats wrong with who?

timgaul said:
OBE helping to push stupid students through since the early 2000s :rolleyes:
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OBE is NOT the problem here. But the implementation or rather the policies surrounding it has helped it on its way down the hill.
 
timgaul said:
EDIT: in fact, our GDP per capita is higher than some EU member states! :eek:
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I wonder if you took income inequality into consideration? I don't think there is an EU member state with a gini coefficient as high as ours:eek:

what does this tell you?
Per capita GDP means squat if our wealth is in the hands of a very few fat cats
 
Nanfeishen said:
To answer this one needs to understand Negative Bias, it is the way our brain is hard wired, in that it is more sensitive to negative news than positive, and it is on a ratio of 1 - 5 , one bit of bad news takes 5 bits of good news to overcome it, and when last have we had 5 bits of good news in any newspaper or heard 5 bits of good news about SA in general?
So i believe that the majority of these negative individuals are suffering from one of the following:

And normally they flock together to boost each others negativity :eek:

http://www.csulb.edu/~tstevens/hnegcog.htm
http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20030620-000001.html
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That makes sense, but only as far explaining the current negative attitudes and dimenished hope for the future, it does not explain "ill wishes" for lack of a better word. Expecting someone to fail because they have failed in the past makes sense but hoping that someone does fail is not based on past perfomance but rather on what can be achieved from that, surely it has a different motive.
 
JungleBoy said:
I wonder if you took income inequality into consideration? I don't think there is an EU member state with a gini coefficient as high as ours:eek:

what does this tell you?
Per capita GDP means squat if our wealth is in the hands of a very few fat cats
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You can thank BEE for that. Way to go!

But my comment involved the amount of money entering the government coffers and not benefiting the poor. As a result of a greater GDP per capita there is an increase in tax revenue, which is going where? Why is this gap you speak of so prevalent?
 
timgaul said:
Please explain these figures then?

Tax revenue has increased from R150b (2000) to R450b (2005).
GDP increase from R289b (1990) to R1 523b (2005)

EDIT: in fact, our GDP per capita is higher than some EU member states!
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You might want to explain what you mean by such stats as my interpretation will not necessarily be the same as yours.

If you say they mean our economy has grown then yes? GDP and GDP growth per capita do not necessarily mean the average citizen is better off if the majority of the wealth is held by a few.

If you mean to say there's more money to do this and that then you're right, but don't forget inflation, population growth etc. Whats the size of those EU members in population? Do they have the 5 things I listed for you to work on?
 
timgaul said:
You can thank BEE for that. Way to go!

But my comment involved the amount of money entering the government coffers and not benefiting the poor. As a result of a greater GDP per capita there is an increase in tax revenue, which is going where? Why is this gap you speak of so prevalent?
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Well of course BEE is solely responsible for that:rolleyes:. Anybody has an idea of what the average age of an unskilled, uneducated and unemployed S African is?
 
Krypto said:
You might want to explain what you mean by such stats as my interpretation will not necessarily be the same as yours.

If you say they mean our economy has grown then yes? GDP and GDP growth per capita do not necessarily mean the average citizen is better off if the majority of the wealth is held by a few.

If you mean to say there's more money to do this and that then you're right, but don't forget inflation, population growth etc. Whats the size of those EU members in population? Do they have the 5 things I listed for you to work on?
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Yes, the guavamint gets more money in its coffers, especially looking a the Tax Revenue figures. So regardless of the wealth of the average citizen, where is the money going?

This has drifted from the original context of the fact that the government suddenly had 30-odd million people added to the population in 1994; but they also have had a lot more tax revenue added in these 14 years. So this excuse is becoming thinner and thinner. GDP is up and Tax Revenue is up (way above inflation) yet people are still suffering. Either they are not receiving government assistance or the BEE fat cats are taking it all for their own - yes Ubuntu is alive and well, eh?
 
well the coffers might empty soon :(
Zuma was a beacon of hope to the people, said Luzipho, pledging Cosatu's "impeccable support" to him and campaigns for him.

Speaking on Zuma's pending court case on Friday, he said: "The rich people in our society are using their influence over state institutions and the fourth estate to barricade Zuma from becoming the next state president.

"Cosatu believes that the matter pertaining to Jacob Zuma is an economic matter... we will explore the possibility of embarking on an [indefinite] strike (on November 28 and 29) until the matter is brought to finality.

"Enough is enough," he said.

The union also warned that protests had been "peaceful" thus far but that people's patience should not be tested.
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http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2391115,00.html

I am white and I would love for this country to work, but FFS man the present government and it's fook'ed up cronies are making it harder to be positive with each passing day.

Every white is a "racist" and every government official is misinterpreted and it's the fault of apartheid for everything, but the people who are busy causing all this chaos where still in school 14 years ago and have had a equal chance... no more of a chance due to AA/BEE then ever before to succeed but still it is not enough.

eish!! why work when it is our right to take.. and.. take...take..take, dude I can understand why people want things to fail, so that the government can take stock and out of the ashes a real leader will emerge ( yeah we can all dream i suppose)

and the fact that the state has more money than before is not positive, if the state used that money to reduce crime, educate people, improve medical services etc. now that will be positive.

the scariest thing is not zuma ruling the country for me, it is who takes over from him - molema "i keeel you" or somebody even worse?

all the positive cr@p so far on this thread is like a thin layer of pretty icing sugar on a large rotten cake.
 
Krypto said:
I don't see what you mean, its one thing to expect things to go badly and a whole other to hope things go badly.
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The fact is that for every step we take forward we take a couple backward. Slowly things are going bad. Maybe some are hoping that it goes very bad very quickly in order to get quicker to the stage where we can start to rebuild. In my (post-Polokwane) opinion things are going to go very bad in this country but it will take quite a while. Everyone should have an exit strategy or be working on one.
 
Krypto said:
So we can discuss anything from government, god & religion, JZ and even trivial things like what people are eating fo dinner but we have sacred cows where the unpatriotic attitudes of many south africans (mostly white) cannot be discussed?
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Have you done research to prove that when all unpatriotic South Africans are counted, the majority of those unpatriotic South Africans are white?

And yet you state this as though it is true.

Does this not have an effect on how other race groups view the white race group?

Does the constitution not protect us from this type of speech against a specific race group?

Is this not in effect a form of incitement against a specific race group which you are labeling as unpatriotic or disloyal to their country?
 
A lot of whites do not know much about South African politics
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I'm pretty sure whites know more about politics because the majority are educated unlike black people in this country.

The fact that white people complain is because they had good services from the government which the blacks didn't (Apartheid). Therefore whites complain about the incompetence of the current government as they are definatley not up to scratch.

I'm sorry news24 but that was an arrogant ignorant statement.
If blacks knew about politics, we wouldn't have the ANC in power. Plain and simple.

EDIT: You can't call me racist for saying the majority of blacks here are uneducated
 
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boramk said:
I'm pretty sure whites know more about politics because the majority are educated unlike black people in this country.

The fact that white people complain is because they had good services from the government which the blacks didn't (Apartheid). Therefore whites complain about the incompetence of the current government as they are definatley not up to scratch.

I'm sorry news24 but that was an arrogant ignorant statement.
If blacks knew about politics, we wouldn't have the ANC in power. Plain and simple.

EDIT: You can't call me racist for saying the majority of blacks here are uneducated
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I would normally ask you to at least tone it down. But since I am no longer allowed to tell people they are trolling and being bigotted, I would agree outright and just tell them they uneducated and ignorant.

So yes, I think you're correct in what you are saying. If you want to cause a race issue on this forum, don't expect it not to come back to you!
 
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