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What's your view on climate change?
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How can you say "alway will be"?
So even if someone shows you the evidence, you will reject it out of pure stubbornness? What will it take to change your mind?
w1z4rd
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Ill go with a 2.5.
Its got man influence, its ganna be negative, but we dont understand the scope or ramifications clearly.
Its got man influence, its ganna be negative, but we dont understand the scope or ramifications clearly.
Its good to see such an open mind.
Very closed minded opinion that. I dont hold your choice against you, just your opinion that it will never change. What if the whole world suddenly turns green and the Greenhouse gasses reduce, and they scientifically without a doubt prove that it was all our fault that it got to the levels it did, when it did. Would your mind change then?
You would have probably been one of those people that catagorically stated that their opinion has been and always will be that the sun revolves around the earth, or that the earth is flat. We all know how stupid those people look in retrospect.
Rather say that your opinion is 6, until you can be shown undeniable proof to the contrary.
I think it just illustrates that for many "deniers" this is an ideological issue and is not about actual facts at all. That's why somebody can say "I will always believe X."
Just read a very interesting interview with Naomi Klein on why environmental issues challenge everything that Conservatives believe in which is why they choose to ignore science and punish the environment.
I am going to go for 4 and 6. I read an interesting take on climate change the other day that you may find interesting, if you can read all the way through. Check it out. http://bit.ly/fPqgSF
Its so sad.Please no one go to that link, it is a bool sheet link that has nothing to do with climate change. Its a "channeling" or something.
You didn't read it, did you?
I read part of it. Nothing to do with climate change, the science behind it or the politics resulting from it.
w1z4rd
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If you read that crap apparently climate change is some kinda punishment, but its fruit cake wooh rubbish, and evidence of an incredibly unhealthy mind.
3) Climate change is definitely occurring, it's predominantly anthropogenic but it's impossible to say what the effects will be.
Well, not impossible to say what the effects will be, but predicting the future is not our greatest talent. I would say the effects going into the future are unknown.
Also it may be negative for some parts of the planet and positive for other parts, so depending where you are, it could be a good or bad thing.
Well, not impossible to say what the effects will be, but predicting the future is not our greatest talent. I would say the effects going into the future are unknown.
Also it may be negative for some parts of the planet and positive for other parts, so depending where you are, it could be a good or bad thing.
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Thanks for wasting my time and bandwidth with this nonsense.
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Well, tbh, I am not optimistic about seeing any proof, considering what's been presented as proof so far. I guess the flat earth people (isn't there still a society of flat earth believers?), and the "sun around the earth" crowd said much the same.
I guess I could say I would change my mind if "shown undeniable proof to the contrary", but for some, that proof is already out there, provied it's "peer reviewed" or whatever they call it these days. That is all I am going to say, as I am not getting into another "climate change" debate with anyone.
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um okay, I think most people will respect your view and stance on what is causing climate change. I honestly dont care to debate climate change myself. I think the only issue was the "Is and always will be" statement. I think there is a lot of controversy going around which adds to the confusion over what to believe. But just like you are pessimistic about seeing proof, I am pessimistic about many things in the world. I dont mean that I see everything negatively. Its more like I am a "worst case scenario'ist" if there is a better word to describe it I would love to know it.
I see evidence that climate change due to our actions exists. I see evidence that its just a naturally occurring event that we are not adding to at all.
I am inclined to believe the former, simply because its the worst case scenario.
In one case, our lack of change or consideration for our environment could result in catastrophe. In the second case our lack of change will not affect anything either way, and catastrophe is just a possible natural occurrance.
Now given those 2 options I would take the chance on change, to see if it will make any difference. If it doesn't, nothing lost nothing gained. If it does, we could prevent the biggest natural disaster in known memory. I would much rather cater for the worst case scenario and be proven wrong, than do nothing and have the worriers proven right.
w1z4rd
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Yeah, if I was you I wouldnt get into a climate change debate with anyone, especially since you noted you are basically en par with the flat earth society.
StrontiumDog
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Do governments even care about climate change other than the opportunity to tax citizens on it? i.e. Our government applies carbon tax to new vehicles now. But do we get any credit if we were to plant out own little forest to absorb CO2 from the atmosphere? The only benefit to doing so is that they get to charge us more for water used!