When will iBurst drop prices...?

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avert said:
some one said Iburst was a Mickey Mouse ISP. That man is 120% correct.
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that man is a genius! :D

seriously guys, if they don't release bigger caps or something, this boat is sinking.

Do you guys know about Amazon? they released such cheap prices and specials that they were running at a LOSS for months (possibly years) - but you know WHY they did that?

its because everyone went to them - after they became WELL KNOWN and USED, the prices went up.

google also ran at a loss in the beginning - twitter currently doesn't even have a business model to make money yet (neither did google at first)


The principle here is to get customers happy first, then make money - not the other way around... too high prices isn't gonna get you many users in the long run, to make the money from in the first place
 
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Gekco said:
I would like your links to your research on that please.
Exclude all the C@ below 3 gig please (those packages should not exist in the first place.)
Serious - You made the statement.. now give us the data to back it up please.

1 similar Comparison springs to mind : 384 Kb/s ADSL to iBurst.
And I am sorry to say you are being blown out the water completely. (Even on 4 Mb/s..)
iBurst is NOT mobile.
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http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=3023320&postcount=179
 
I've always had a landline and I prefer the landline. 90% of the time cell-to-cell breaks up and it's irritating. When I go out, I like to leave my telephone behind and not be bothered, not be always reachable. I'm old school like that.

Anyway, so existing landline.
Thus, Telkom DSL rental: 151 (incl VAT)
Cybersmart 384, 3 Gig, 124 (incl Vat)
Tot: 275

I don't cost the voice line because I already had it and many people will have landlines. Sure, I'd like a faster line, but that would mean I reach my cap faster:D

So, I'm a mid-level user, I can live with the speed, and it's always there and constant. I got a crappy modem for free, but it works.

Is the speed constant with iBurst? And connection?

So, compared with iBurst 1Mbps, 3 Gig for R449/R469, the difference is
174/194. Two whiskies at the Bascule for some; four to six home cooked meals for others. Value is not just a matter of numbers.
 
Apologies for all the posts with the same reply, but Gecko asked so many times, I thought I'd better answer each of his questions. ;)
 
wobbly arithmetic

OK, looking at that article, http://mybroadband.co.za/news/ADSL/9051.html, the figures for the Cybersmart deals are seriously wobbly.

I'll take them one by one and I'll assume an existing Telkom line as the figures quoted in the article suggest the same. Only the rental for the ADSL line is given:

Article: Cybersmart 1 price 384, 1Gig: R169 bundle + 131 line rental = R300

Cybersmart website for same: TOTAL = R169. That's why they call it one price. You go to Cybersmart and they do all the dealings with Telkom and the R169 includes the line rental (R275 installation cost). Effectively, they are charging you R38 for 1 gig a month.

Same for the 384, 3Gig: One price is R259. That includes the R131 line rental. So the total is not R390 as stated in the article.

So, if you already have a Telkom voice line (rental R125 incl), those are the costs. Obviously, if you do not have the Telkom line, then you are going to reckon the voice line as part of the cost. That math peeps can do themselves... :p
 
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jannievanzyl said:
Have a look at this article myADSL posted 2 days ago:

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/ADSL/9051.html

According to this a 384kb/s, 1GB ADSL line costs between R270 and R330 / month.

An iBurst 1Mb/s, 1GB bundle is R199 per month. If you include a modem it's R219 / month. This is substantially less.

A 384Kb/s, 3GB ADSL line is between R389 and R520 depending on where you get it.

An iBurst 1Mb/s, 3GB bundle is R449 per month. If you include a modem it's R469 / month. This is in the middle of the ADSL pricing range.

A 4Mb/s, 5GB ADSL line is between R685 and R880 depending on where you get it.

An iBurst 1Mb/s, 5GB bundle is R599 per month. If you include a modem it's R619 / month. This is substantially less.

So, in summary (using the ADSL table above):

- At 1GB, iBurst is cheaper than ADSL, and at a higher speed.
- At 3GB, iBurst is in the same range as ADSL, but at a higher speed.
- At 5Gb, iBurst is cheaper than ADSL, but at a lower speed.

These seem to be the only 3 offerings from Telkom in their 'do Broadband' offer, at least I can't find a 384Kb/s, 5GB offer.

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Looking at the link Rustum provided, a 3G, 512Kb/s (still slower than iBurst @ 1Mb/s) ADSL is R560 per month. iBurst is substantially lower @ R449 - R469.

So at 1G, 3G and 5G, iBurst seems to be lower in price than ADSL. For the 1G and 3G bundles, iBurst is faster and for the 5G, ADSL is faster.
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I can do a comparison with the mobile players, if needed, but clearly iBurst will be substantially lower. For the record, iBurst is actually fully mobile with full handover between cells. The new USB modems are now much closer in size to the HSDPA ones.
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Very nice and all, but, adsl is FAR more reliable than iBurts, thus iBurst should be FAR more cheaper. Higher speed means nothing if u cant use it, so that doesn't count either.
I want more reliability from iburst!I want to play online games anytime I want with a decent latency. This is impossible during weekdays, so thats why I think iBurst ask to much.:mad:

You rock for participating on the forums Jannie!
 
some package ideas.

-between 1am - 6am bandwidth is 50%(or 75% or even 100% :P) free, so if you use 50mb it only registers as 25mb.

-unshaped on gaming ports between 6pm and 6am

-local bandwidth!
yeah i stole most of those from other isp's :P

Also somehow to stop base station switching on modems would help reliabilty loads i think.Especially if you use iburst in one location. Would be wicked if you could say which base station you want it to connect too, if one is overpopulated.
 
Good ones there Avert

Please remember to mail all your ideas/suggestions to simplified at iburstgroup.co.za

Thanks
 
The only reason ill look at DSL is the local bandwith that you get on most packages. Would love to have 20Gigs of local!
 
avert said:
some package ideas.

-between 1am - 6am bandwidth is 50%(or 75% or even 100% :P) free, so if you use 50mb it only registers as 25mb.

-unshaped on gaming ports between 6pm and 6am

-local bandwidth!
yeah i stole most of those from other isp's :P

Also somehow to stop base station switching on modems would help reliabilty loads i think.Especially if you use iburst in one location. Would be wicked if you could say which base station you want it to connect too, if one is overpopulated.
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Agree on most of these, they all make sense.
 
jannievanzyl said:
Apologies for all the posts with the same reply, but Gecko asked so many times, I thought I'd better answer each of his questions. ;)
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Yeah, I also thought he was being a bit of a poepol, like he was expecting you to be there behind him waving your palm leaf and offering him cooldrinks.

But thanks for providing the specifics despite all the provocations.

What I'd like to say here is that none of this does it for me. Even if you were marginally the cheapest in every respect, you would still have me, but have me by the balls, because ... it ... is ... all ... still ... bloody expensive. It has the SA economy breathing through a straw. The national digital highway is a dirt track toll road and this is the context of our discussion about bandwidth and price, this is what sets the tone, sets the agenda - less so how you compare with other ISPs.

My question is where are we in terms of the real agenda, the real problem? Where is iBurst going? Is iBurst going to show some leadership? Can they show some leadership? Is the new broom gonna do a clean sweep? Because, when I choose an ISP, I don't just look for the cheapest at the time, I look at the longer term in the context of the of the real issue of SA bandwidth/pricing. When I joined iBurst, I thought there was a vision to face the real problem and deal with it, but if the iBurst agenda is really just to compete comfortably in the mobile arena, then I'm disappointed and looking around.

Or maybe what I really need here is just mobility - the ability to pull up roots and easily move from one ISP to the next so I can follow the lowest prices. Jannie, what's my iBurst modem gonna be, a ball-and-chain or a hot air balloon?
 
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