Where are all the skilled developers?

cbrunsdonza said:
Wow, you really don't understand how it works in the real life but your age explains it all. The reason why you study is to learn about the important foundations you need throughout your career as a developer. Reason why I'm studying even though my job does not require it.

Studying has made me a much better developer.
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You're making bad assumptions. ;)
Not everyone has the money to keep on studying. So I made due with what I had.

kripstoe said:
Got kicked out for acing exams? :confused: Failed interviews because you didn't know buzzwords? :erm: Skilled developers don't like talented ones? :cry:

From the sounds of it you either a) gave up because you worked with the wrong people/company or b) have a slight chip on your shoulder. You make a sound like skilled and talented developers are mutually exclusive, hence suspecting a slight chip. Politics you'll find at most places of employment to various degrees. The same goes for jealousy. It's how you deal with it that that also sets you apart from the rest. Developing isn't just about sitting in the basement anymore, working by yourself.

Disclaimer : This is what I perceived from your post. I might be completely wrong.
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If you must know, I got kicked out because the college fined me R 5,000 on a technicality. No student can afford that.

a ) Not much I can do about that, we can only play with the cards that's dealt.
b ) From a lifetime of being involved with computers, I've seen that very talented folk are often pushed one side.
 
senyetse said:
Regarding the JSON comments, it depends on what technologies you're exposed to. There are a multitude of IT technologies out there, you can't judge someone's skill based on what they may or may not have heard of. It's impossible to know everything, if you claim to then you still have a lot to learn...
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Very good point.
 
foozball3000 said:
a ) Not much I can do about that, we can only play with the cards that's dealt.
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Agreed. Keep playing. :)

foozball3000 said:
b ) From a lifetime of being involved with computers, I've seen that very talented folk are often pushed one side.
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Do not agree. Talent is probably not the only and/or main reason for being "pushed one side".
 
I've been coding since I was about 8, now 28, and I've always had a natural knack for it. Aced high school and university computer science without getting kicked out.

I'm sure the reasons I've "failed" at interviews varies but unfortunately hardly anyone ever tells you what they are. I know the buzzwords and have the understanding but in most languages what I wouldn't have is experience however being self-taught means that I would "level up" much much faster than someone learning a skill for the first time while learning syntax, libraries, frameworks, etc all at the same time whereas I would usually just be learning the subset of things that I haven't come across before.

Where I will agree with you is that I would rather code because I want to at home etc. It's much much more fun than trying to interpret vague requirements and implement them in a way that actually makes sense.
 
kripstoe said:
Agreed. Keep playing. :)

Do not agree. Talent is probably not the only and/or main reason for being "pushed one side".
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Probably not just talented.. Perhaps it's a mix with my personality. (Not that I'm unpleasant, just very logical)
But from all the talented people I know, only few of them are made welcome in groups.

I'm not trying to blame shift, part of it is probably my fault to (as there's always 2 sides to each story). But it seems that I deeply underestimated how people in companies are. My work was always done at the highest degree I could manage and usually beyond the expectation (and within budget).

Because talented people usually spend time developing their talents, they fall short on other areas, and are usually pushed aside for that.

Short and long of it.. I accept my flaws and the areas that I excel at. And now I'm doing something where my skills matter and not my ability to engage in small talk around the water cooler. Even if it meant I had to kill a long career in Programming.

rorz0r said:
I've been coding since I was about 8, now 28, and I've always had a natural knack for it. Aced high school and university computer science without getting kicked out.

I'm sure the reasons I've "failed" at interviews varies but unfortunately hardly anyone ever tells you what they are. I know the buzzwords and have the understanding but in most languages what I wouldn't have is experience however being self-taught means that I would "level up" much much faster than someone learning a skill for the first time while learning syntax, libraries, frameworks, etc all at the same time whereas I would usually just be learning the subset of things that I haven't come across before.

Where I will agree with you is that I would rather code because I want to at home etc. It's much much more fun than trying to interpret vague requirements and implement them in a way that actually makes sense.
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Impressive. :)
 
foozball3000 said:
Probably not just talented.. Perhaps it's a mix with my personality. (Not that I'm unpleasant, just very logical)
But from all the talented people I know, only few of them are made welcome in groups.

I'm not trying to blame shift, part of it is probably my fault to (as there's always 2 sides to each story). But it seems that I deeply underestimated how people in companies are. My work was always done at the highest degree I could manage and usually beyond the expectation (and within budget).

Because talented people usually spend time developing their talents, they fall short on other areas, and are usually pushed aside for that.

Short and long of it.. I accept my flaws and the areas that I excel at. And now I'm doing something where my skills matter and not my ability to engage in small talk around the water cooler. Even if it meant I had to kill a long career in Programming.



Impressive. :)
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So you just stopped coding? Now what to do you do ?

Rofl oh wait i think i interviewed you... You are arrogant. As you where. :D You could'nt even complete the fizzbuzz.
 
semaphore said:
So you just stopped coding? Now what to do you do ?

Rofl oh wait i think i interviewed you... You are arrogant. As you where. :D You could'nt even complete the fizzbuzz.
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"As you were"

Most of my income now is from my art skills. I still code (there's a lot of things I still want to code), and I'll probably code till the end of my days. Just not for short-sighted employers anymore. ;)
 
foozball3000 said:
"As you were"

Most of my income now is from my art skills. I still code (there's a lot of things I still want to code), and I'll probably code till the end of my days. Just not for short-sighted employers anymore. ;)
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Perhaps work on your attitude. There are people out there a lot smarter than you.
 
semaphore said:
Perhaps work on your attitude. There are people out there a lot smarter than you.
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lol. No **** Sherlock. Did you know there are people taller than you, richer than you, hairier, happier, sadder.. ?
(Shocker, I know)

But we're derailing here. Back to the topic folks. Nothing to see here.
 
foozball3000 said:
lol. No **** Sherlock. Did you know there are people taller than you, richer than you, hairier, happier, sadder.. ?
(Shocker, I know)

But we're derailing here. Back to the topic folks. Nothing to see here.
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Lol. Enjoy your bible time travel software.
 
foozball3000 said:
"As you were"

Most of my income now is from my art skills. I still code (there's a lot of things I still want to code), and I'll probably code till the end of my days. Just not for short-sighted employers anymore. ;)
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Have you ever considered that social skills are just as learnable as coding skills, and probably account for your present trainwrecked and embittered career trajectory?
 
cerebus said:
Have you ever considered that social skills are just as learnable as coding skills, and probably account for your present trainwrecked and embittered career trajectory?
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Yup. Believe it or not - social skills can be just as important as coding skills or any other skills. If you come across as an arrogant Mr. Know-it-all, chances are, you're going to rub a lot of people the wrong way,
 
Tander said:
Yup. Believe it or not - social skills can be just as important as coding skills or any other skills. If you come across as an arrogant Mr. Know-it-all, chances are, you're going to rub a lot of people the wrong way,
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When i had to interview people at my previous employer you would be amazed at how many senior developers do not know basic principles.
 
semaphore said:
When i had to interview people at my previous employer you would be amazed at how many senior developers do not know basic principles.
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Well, that's different thing all together.

What makes a developer, a senior developer?
 
Tander said:
Well, that's different thing all together.

What makes a developer, a senior developer?
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I would say around 6+ years experience in their particular field, a good grasp and demonstrated ability of their craft. But if i interview someone who has been working for close to 10 years claims to be senior and yet he cannot even do basic program flow with if statements. Then there is a serious problem.
 
Completely agree with you their. I think it's number of years experience + demonstrating their skills, in order to determine if they are senior or not.

Then again, even your junior developers should know, if, else, while, if else, sort of statements.
 
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