Where does the Democratic Alliance get its facts?

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Another interesting post by Africa Check. One needs to be sceptical of all political parties, not just the ANC.

You would think that a political party that regularly boasts about its successes on Twitter would have the evidence to back up the claims. That seems not to be the case with SA's Democratic Alliance.

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The DA’s claims included tweets stating that the Western Cape government created 60,000 “work opportunities” in the second half of 2012/13; that DA municipalities have created 31,000 “job opportunities” in the past year; that 99.1% of households in the Western Cape have access to piped water; that 93.4% have access to electricity; that 96.9% have access to toilet facilities; that the City of Cape Town – the provincial capital – delivers more to poor residents than any other city in the country; that the gap between haves and have nots is the smallest in Cape Town; and that R11-billion – of the R18-billion spent on service delivery in Cape Town - was spent on the poor.

‘Not DA information’

Two months after that first phone call I had made no progress, despite firing off several emails to Mbhele who consistently failed to meet his own self-imposed deadlines to provide me with the source material.

In one email, Mbhele tried to explain away the delays.“The reason for the unfortunate delay is that technically it’s not ‘DA information’ that’s been requested … I’ve been trying to source and collate the information from the City of Cape Town and relevant provincial government departments.” (Both the City of Cape Town and the provincial government departments are run by DA administrations)

In desperation, Mbhele eventually resorted to doing his own retrospective research.

Referring to the tweet claiming that 60,000 “work opportunities” had been created by the Western Cape provincial government in the 2012/2013 financial year, he wrote: “Concerning the job opportunity figures, no one so far can give me anything concrete…My own online search efforts have tracked down EPWP [Extended Public Works Programme] reports for the first half of 2012/13…but not the second half as the tweet speaks to.”

In the ‘right ballpark’

A screen grab of some of the claims made on Twitter by the Democratic Alliance.Those reports, he said, showed that the figure given in the DA’s tweet was in the “right ballpark”. But whether the exact figure was correct and where it was sourced from, he couldn’t say.

In a bid to address other questions, Mbhele sent me two Statistics South Africa (StatsSA) census documents from 2011, two Western Cape government quarterly reports, copies of UN-Habitat reports on the state of the world’s cities and a smattering of Internet links that he had discovered in the course of his online research.

The two census documents, for instance, do appear to support some of the tweets including the claim that 99.1% of Western Cape residents have access to piped water, that 93.4% of homes in the Western Cape have access to electricity and broad statement that “The Western Cape delivers basic services best in South Africa”.

But these successes, which the DA touts as its own, do not reflect the already high level of delivery that the DA inherited in these areas when it wrested control of the province from the ANC in 2006.

Take for instance the DA’s claim that 99.1% of households in the province currently have access to piped water. That is true, according to the 2011 census data, if you include piped water inside dwellings, in yards, within 200 metres of dwellings and further than 200 metres from dwellings.

But can the DA solely lay claim to that as a success? And how much has the DA really achieved since 2006?

Cherry-picking numbers

According to StatsSA’s annual general household surveys, 92.7% of Western Cape households had access to piped water “in a house or yard” in 2006, dropping fractionally to 92.5% in 2012. (This can perhaps be attributed to the growth in the number of households in the province, although the change is statistically insignificant)

It’s a classic example of how cherry picking statistics stripped of context can tell one story, while other reliable data tells an entirely different one.

After a number of email exchanges, Mbhele made a startling admission: “By the time the information gets to being a DA tweet, it’s usually several stages down the pipeline of being passed around and referenced in different meetings and memos. One wouldn’t think so, but it can take time to track some of the info back to its original source.”

That someone at the heart of the DA provincial government, with the authority of the premier’s office behind him, was unable to get the source information and original data speaks volumes.

A ‘broken telephone’

Early in the new year Mbhele sent me another exasperated email. “I’m trying to get in touch with a freelance specialist researcher who is working with the Parliamentary Office that I’ve been told should hopefully give me exactly what I’ve been requesting. He’s still on break it seems.” Yet again, the information did not materialise.

The most damning admission came when Mbhele candidly admitted: “I must say that this exercise has been very useful on my side in identifying a clear systemic deficiency of information management, especially in the interface between the research and communication arms in the DA Parliamentary Office.

“… I’ve been trying to navigate a spider web of information flow and recordkeeping where it seems there’s been a degree of broken telephone playing out.”

Mbhele promised that he would “be writing to relevant colleagues to get that tightened up”, adding that the party’s inability to back up many of its claims “doesn’t put us in good stead for the upcoming election period”.

- See more at: http://africacheck.org/2014/02/11/w...-alliance-get-its-facts/#sthash.nrFRuRtV.dpuf
 
So a fault was identified and acknowledged openly, and is now up for action to be taken.

What's his point?
 
So a fault was identified and acknowledged openly, and is now up for action to be taken.

What's his point?

[-]Apparently getting a a fact wrong and correcting it is the same as a wholly corrupt political party that rapes our country. .

Honestly... this is how some people think.

Cause you know, Stalin and Obama are all the same cause theyre both politicians and both have made inaccurate statements. (This is the level of logic used in the OP)[/-]

I misunderstood Chris.
 
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Apparently getting a a fact wrong and correcting it is the same as a wholly corrupt political party that rapes our country. .

Honestly... this is how some people think.

Cause you know, Stalin and Obama are all the same cause theyre both politicians and both have made inaccurate statements. (This is the level of logic used in the OP)

He brought up the DA using dodgy stats. They did, and bringing it up is relevant. You do you think the DA is beyond criticism
 
He brought up the DA using dodgy stats. They did, and bringing it up is relevant. You do you think the DA is beyond criticism

Are criminal Zuma and his son's actions beyond criticism? Show me anything the DA did that caused as much damage to our communities as Zuma and his thieving above the law fat pig of a son!
 
Are criminal Zuma and his son's actions beyond criticism? Show me anything the DA did that caused as much damage to our communities as Zuma and his thieving above the law fat pig of a son!

What on earth does that have to do with the DA posting dodgy stats????
 
So a fault was identified and acknowledged openly, and is now up for action to be taken.

What's his point?

Perhaps when the DA makes claims, they need to have their Research Department (which is particularly extensive) more organised so they can point to a verified and credible source.

Apparently getting a a fact wrong and correcting it is the same as a wholly corrupt political party that rapes our country. .

Honestly... this is how some people think.

Who here is thinking that? Where in the OP did the author even make that insinuation? I don't see the "ANC" even mentioned once in the article. What is wrong with drawing attention to a possible deficiency within the DA? If anything, hopefully it will make the DA more careful when making bold statements.
 
Ok then what about the false stats we read about everyday as portrayed by the ANC?

You're still off on a tangent and not answering why you go off on a Zuma insult fest when the discussion is the DA. When the Zuma admin posts dodgy stats - then post it and let it get discussed.
 
Apparently getting a a fact wrong and correcting it is the same as a wholly corrupt political party that rapes our country. .

Honestly... this is how some people think.

Cause you know, Stalin and Obama are all the same cause theyre both politicians and both have made inaccurate statements. (This is the level of logic used in the OP)

They lied and got caught out... again...
:rolleyes:
 
Ok then what about the false stats we read about everyday as portrayed by the ANC?

There are enough threads on the evils of the ANC. This one is about the DA and their continuous attempts to lie as a form of self-promotion and to justify themselves.
 
Apparently getting a a fact wrong and correcting it is the same as a wholly corrupt political party that rapes our country. .

Honestly... this is how some people think.

Cause you know, Stalin and Obama are all the same cause theyre both politicians and both have made inaccurate statements. (This is the level of logic used in the OP)

Wow ghoti. Just.. Wow.
 
Perhaps when the DA makes claims, they need to have their Research Department (which is particularly extensive) more organised so they can point to a verified and credible source.



Who here is thinking that? Where in the OP did the author even make that insinuation? I don't see the "ANC" even mentioned once in the article. What is wrong with drawing attention to a possible deficiency within the DA? If anything, hopefully it will make the DA more careful when making bold statements.

I agree with this - it should be brought to the attention of the DA so that they can have the numbers and the stats athand when journalists or people are wanting to query where they got their numbers from. It would just look much better from a political stand point. If a political party is going to politic with regards to their achievements they need to have the proof of their claims at hand. This should be for all political parties
 
Apparently getting a a fact wrong and correcting it is the same as a wholly corrupt political party that rapes our country. .

Honestly... this is how some people think.

Cause you know, Stalin and Obama are all the same cause theyre both politicians and both have made inaccurate statements. (This is the level of logic used in the OP)

Or, maybe Chris said to be sceptical of all political parties and not your strawman blathering.
 
There are enough threads on the evils of the ANC. This one is about the DA and their continuous attempts to lie as a form of self-promotion and to justify themselves.

They took lessons from the ANC and are trying their best to copy the act especially now that election fever show the real colours of the ANC again! Just the DA are not such competent liars and as experienced as the ANC in that particular trait it seems.
 
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He brought up the DA using dodgy stats. They did, and bringing it up is relevant. You do you think the DA is beyond criticism

Why lie? Please be more honest.

I certainly dont think they are above criticism and criticise them myself when I dont approve of their actions. What I dont do is allow fact checking mistakes to equate to national level corruption.

So for you not to repeat your lie. I dont believe anything is above criticism.
 
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