Which handgun do you recommend for EDC?

Foxhound5366 said:
This Hailstorm in Pretoria? https://www.hailstormza.com/

Thanks for the practical advice! This is what I'm really looking for here.

I have also seen this holster that's meant to be specifically for appendix EDC and which also comes from a reputable South African manufacturer, but frankly yours looks way more comfortable: https://www.danielsholsters.co.za/shop/concealment/iwb/aiwb-kydex-supertuck-appendix-holster/

Anyone got an opinion or experience with that?
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Yes. Same guys. No issues on service.
 
gopes said:
Quick question:-
For attaching the safe to the wall - the guy at the safe shop said 4 * M10 rawl bolts are sufficient
Does that meet the requirements?
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M10 x 80mm but use chemical anchors also, you dont wont to just comply, you want to secure it against the wall to keep it there
 
gopes said:
Quick question:-
For attaching the safe to the wall - the guy at the safe shop said 4 * M10 rawl bolts are sufficient
Does that meet the requirements?
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The regulations are actually a bit vague on the amount of bolts you need. I've attached the spec, maybe your comprehension will exceed mine. All they go on about is the holes in the safe for the bolts. So if we go on the idea that 1 hole = 1 bolt, the following seems to be the requirement:

2 bolts for a small pistol safe (B1), in either the floor or wall. and 4 bolts for a rifle safe (B2), 2 in the floor and 2 in the wall. (All bolts at least M10x80mm)

But as others have said, don't just comply, rather go overboard. It will be a LOT of admin, stress and drama if your firearms get stolen.

Personally I stick to 6 bolts, with a corner mounted safe, 2 in the floor, and 2 in each wall. I also fill any gaps where a prybar might be forced in between the wall/floor and safe with chemical anchor mix.
 

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notayoba said:
The regulations are actually a bit vague on the amount of bolts you need. I've attached the spec, maybe your comprehension will exceed mine. All they go on about is the holes in the safe for the bolts. So if we go on the idea that 1 hole = 1 bolt, the following seems to be the requirement:

2 bolts for a small pistol safe (B1), in either the floor or wall. and 4 bolts for a rifle safe (B2), 2 in the floor and 2 in the wall. (All bolts at least M10x80mm)

But as others have said, don't just comply, rather go overboard. It will be a LOT of admin, stress and drama if your firearms get stolen.

Personally I stick to 6 bolts, with a corner mounted safe, 2 in the floor, and 2 in each wall. I also fill any gaps where a prybar might be forced in between the wall/floor and safe with chemical anchor mix.
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Agreed..at the end of the day its going to be your problem if your FA is stolen...
I have two small gun safes...one is pretty easy to locate...a few Rands and my old passports in there..

Other one is well hidden and well mounted...extra holes for mounting.. I did it this way just in case SAPS ever shows up to inspect the safe...they will only ever see the easy one...Not much trust in SAPS sadly...
They are one of the many reasons you need a gun here....:laugh:

Anyway...No-one bothered to come and look.....
 
mojoman said:
Anyway...No-one bothered to come and look.....
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That is very DFO dependent.

I've had 2 inspections. 1 for my first license, and then another because I moved. Both were definitely more of a box ticking exercise though. They basically just checked that the safe exists. Didn't check bolts or anything.
 
notayoba said:
That is very DFO dependent.

I've had 2 inspections. 1 for my first license, and then another because I moved. Both were definitely more of a box ticking exercise though. They basically just checked that the safe exists. Didn't check bolts or anything.
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Agreed it does seem DFO dependent. My first App no inspection. Recently with a new app on the day i submitted there was a safe inspection.
 
anyone looking at a hand gun also consider the Canik. i see only good reviews and they come out the box with a holster, tools 2 magazines, and plates to change the slide to take red dots and optics etc.

Brothers arms have them on promo.
 
gbyleveldt said:
20k rounds through any modern handgun is hardly stress testing it. Many comp shooters do that in a few years without issue. In fact, serious shooters do 100k in 5 years - the guns are designed for that. The point above was referring to a frame of reference: 400 rounds through any gun is hardly a statistic to measure the reliability of a gun against. At the risk of sounding condescending, that’s still a brand new gun.
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But I am not the military I do not need a statistic. To be clear any weapon will fail. Not "can fail" or "might fail". Any weapon will fail it is a question of when. Yes weapons are much more reliable then ever and good quality became a standard in the industry and we all are benefiting from it.

20k rounds is a lot of bullets. Now depending on how many shots you fire at any one time, your gun is subject to a lot of heat. Heat is the enemy of all guns. I am sure you will agree with me on this.

But for clarity I will explain a bit more. Firstly it can create a soft spot in your barrel and that under high pressure can become a serious problem. Secondly If you fire your weapon while it is extremely hot some ammunition can fire prematurely. That is why one should never push a weapon "till it is red hot".

Other factors is some barrels are known to bend ever so slightly and that can create a range of mechanical problems as well as accuracy problems.

But yes you are correct, my gun is still brand new, I like to keep it in perfect condition and I like to maintain it on a regular base. Is my gun more lightly to fail me? Yes, indeed it can fail me but so can any other gun fail any other person. It is a mechanical system and with it a problem can occur at any time. However my use-case is I go to the range shoot about 10 bullets or so. Judge my accuracy and go home. I do own an air-pistol that I practice with more because it is less expensive but obviously not the real deal. That is why I will use my gun on the range to make sure I know what to expect when I pull the trigger. Accuracy for me is good enough. I can't pull a John Wick but I can hit a target "center mass" no problem. That is what I trained myself to do. It is also its sole purpose. "To protect my family and me"

You on the other hand shoot competition "I assume" so your gun will enjoy regular maintenance may even get a few upgrades and you will know how it will react while using it. I see nothing wrong with that at all. It is a fun sport I 100% agree. But in the end of the day when you need it you have it, you know how to use it and you trust it. That is the most important part. You are a competent responsible gun owner and that is the key point here.

But in the end as much as I hate to say it all guns will eventually fail. It will not be the user's fault or even the factory's fault it is just the way it is. Just like a car's carburetor it will work perfectly until it doesn't.
 
qscwbt said:
anyone looking at a hand gun also consider the Canik. i see only good reviews and they come out the box with a holster, tools 2 magazines, and plates to change the slide to take red dots and optics etc.

Brothers arms have them on promo.
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rodga said:
Canik at huntex
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Had a closer look at some more of them last week at Wildman. They were sold out of the Sub Elite, but had the others as well as demo ones available.
 
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