'White professionals' numbers plummet'

One factor that I've noticed in recent years is the absolute lack of discipline with white school leavers. Many of them drop out of university within their first year with their parents gladly making excuses for them: not enough opportunities; poor state of universities; discrimination; etc

Sadly tertiary education is still only accessible to those with necessary funds and not those with required determination and motivation to complete their degrees.
 
cbrunsdonza said:
One factor that I've noticed in recent years is the absolute lack of discipline with white school leavers. Many of them drop out of university within their first year with their parents gladly making excuses for them: not enough opportunities; poor state of universities; discrimination; etc

Sadly tertiary education is still only accessible to those with necessary funds and not those with required determination and motivation to complete their degrees.
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Black and white! wow and I was the dumb guy out of the group :D lol one of my mates was majoring in this and then that...guess what....she is basically failing her ass off because 1 she is not interested in what she is studying and 2 she smokes 2 much weed now.
 
Korn1 said:
Black and white! wow and I was the dumb guy out of the group :D lol one of my mates was majoring in this and then that...guess what....she is basically failing her ass off because 1 she is not interested in what she is studying and 2 she smokes 2 much weed now.
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Yeah true .. People nowadays don't seem to be inspired at all.
 
The number of registrations of white professional engineers decreased by 54.1%, while the number of white attorneys who were admitted between 1999 and 2008 decreased by 36.8%.

By contrast, the number of qualified black South Africans in professions in this sector, including accounting, information technology and the medical industry, rose by between 30% and 507%.
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I hate articles like this.

Instead of using the word number, the writer should be using the word percentage.
As in: The percentage of registrations of white professional engineers decreased by 54.1%.

If you're going to talk numbers, then give the numbers.
And, using such a massive timespan is way too convenient.

I call BS sensationalist rubbish.
 
boramk said:
Yeah true .. People nowadays don't seem to be inspired at all.
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I just find it sad to see so many school leavers wanting to study but do not have the resources - it reminds me of myself in '94 when I could not study as we did not have money then. 16yrs on and I'm now a UNISA student busting my balls to get my degree.
 
davemc said:
As in: The percentage of registrations of white professional engineers decreased by 54.1%.

If you're going to talk numbers, then give the numbers.
And, using such a massive timespan is way too convenient.

I call BS sensationalist rubbish.
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So you mean it will be incorrect to say "the number of candidate engineers registering as professionals has decreased by 54%" ?

BTW...since 1999, there has been a sharp decline in registrations of Black, White, Colored and Asian professional engineers.
 
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dlk001 said:
BTW...since 1999, there has been a sharp decline in registrations of Black, White, Colored and Asian professional engineers.
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Why is that? I know that generally black enrolments are for BA related courses, are the others due to not meeting AA requirements?
 
cbrunsdonza said:
One factor that I've noticed in recent years is the absolute lack of discipline with white school leavers. Many of them drop out of university within their first year with their parents gladly making excuses for them: not enough opportunities; poor state of universities; discrimination; etc

Sadly tertiary education is still only accessible to those with necessary funds and not those with required determination and motivation to complete their degrees.
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I imagine that some white youths feel that there is no future in SA and they aren't motivated. Who would be?
 
I'm too lazy to read the whole thread so I just read the 1st post and heres my 2c I'd like to add, the initial post only gave percentages not numbers (I haven't checked the link but its 1am and I've been studying since this morning) but anyway without numbers to say something rose by 500% is meaningless in a way.

Example:
1994: 1 black person is registered as a doctor
2010: 10 black people are registered as doctors

Thats an increase of 900%...Anyway just a thought I had while reading your post, the thread may now continue :p
 
S1ght said:
I'm too lazy to read the whole thread so I just read the 1st post and heres my 2c I'd like to add, the initial post only gave percentages not numbers (I haven't checked the link but its 1am and I've been studying since this morning) but anyway without numbers to say something rose by 500% is meaningless in a way.

Example:
1994: 1 black person is registered as a doctor
2010: 10 black people are registered as doctors

Thats an increase of 900%...Anyway just a thought I had while reading your post, the thread may now continue :p
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+1
 
ponder said:
Why is that? I know that generally black enrolments are for BA related courses, are the others due to not meeting AA requirements?
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The point is not about Blacks engineers or AA. There has been sharp decline in graduate engineers (all races) who go on to qualify as professionals. The reasons are:

- engineers changing careers to more lucrative fields e.g. finance
- engineers opting for management line of work versus technical line
- lack of professional mentors to develop graduate engineers to professional levels
- lack of diverse engineering training that is needed to develop a graduate to professional level
- graduate engineers leaving the country
 
Garyvdh said:
The government needs to grab a whole bunch of matriculants who have reasonably good grades and pay for their education to doctors, engineers, scientists, etc. About 15,000 of each will do... any colour welcome.

That should help fix this country and economy up.
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Then after we pay for their tuition, they going to leave anyway! ;)
 
According to my father in law (civil engineer), the average age of civil engineers in SA is around 50 something.
 
cbrunsdonza said:
One factor that I've noticed in recent years is the absolute lack of discipline with Black school leavers. Many of them drop out of university within their first year with their parents gladly making excuses for them: not enough opportunities; poor state of universities; discrimination; etc

Sadly tertiary education is still only accessible to those with necessary funds and not those with required determination and motivation to complete their degrees.
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Lol, there I fixed it for you
 
Nod said:
According to my father in law (civil engineer), the average age of civil engineers in SA is around 50 something.
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Yeah I've heard this aswell. I have a few mates that are civil engineers in their early 20s and they have said that a lot of students (about 70%) drop out in the first 2 years. I've also been told that when they go to conferences, the government people in charge who make decisions in this industry are so under qualified that the questions they ask at these conferences are laughable.
 
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For civil engineers, much of their work comes from govt. not very lucrative for white people.... unless you have a black tenderbuddy.

Who wants to be my tenderbuddy?
 
I always wonder, if our gdp is x today, what would it be if the million or so people who left hadn't?

How much money are 1 million skilled people directly or indirectly worth?

If i was running this country, i would do anything humanly possible to get them back. We have an extremely large skilled workforce making other countries richer as we speak. If only the ANC weren't idiots.
 
Nod said:
According to my father in law (civil engineer), the average age of civil engineers in SA is around 50 something.
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That is dead right. Succession planning has not gone well within the industry. However, the positive aspect is that old retiring engineers have contributed in development of documented engineering standards, guidelines etc which are going to guide younger generation going forward.

- average age of engineers is above 50, so most senior engineers would be retiring in the next few years;

- there is a huge gap between young graduates and seasoned professionals;

- the few remaining senior engineers are partners and directors who tend to play managerial roles, less mentoring of young graduates;
 
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