Who has the same problem as this with local accounts?

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I'm getting REAL pissed off now

Let me give you some background to the story

My previous ISP was cybersmart, I had the 3GB account with them. Then I changed to openweb, I have the 2GB intl + 30GB local account with them.

Now with cybersmart the bandwidth was too little to suite my needs so the openweb account sounded good. But with cybersmart my 384k line was fast, since with openweb I can't open a lot of web pages then it throws out a ''page cannot be displayed'' page and if I manage to get in the site it takes ages. In gaming my ping is still the same, it's just with browsing.

I phoned openweb for assistence and the guy tells me that some local sites are hosted internationaly that's why I can't get in them etc (This is when my intl bandwidth is finished and I'm working with the local bandwidth but it was slow even when using the international bandwidth)

Sometimes (minimal) I get fast browsing speeds but 9/10 times it is EXTREMELY slow

Here are some sites I struggle getting in to if I manage:

www.greenlab.co.za
www.absa.co.za
www.pcformat.co.za
www.newshost.za.net
www.hub.za.net
www.systemshock.co.za

Is anyone else getting the same problem when using only local bandwidth?
 
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www.newshost.za.net is now hosted locally - but yeah it can be a problem.

Some sites have ads which are hosted internationally even though the site itself is local, these will also cause the site to hang. Try using ad blocking and see if that helps.
 
Until recently www.greenlab.co.za was hosted internationally. ".co.za" does not mean that the site is hosted locally.

absa.co.za is locally hosted.
newshost.za.net is hosted by wolfatek.com but on a South African line.
hub.za.net is hosted on a walkertechnologies box (which is local).
systemshock.co.za is hosted internationally (216.227.210.252).
pcformat.co.za is hosted by hetzner (locally).

As you can see, some of the above sites are in fact INTERNATIONAL and are therefore not available via local-only account.
Websites also often link to media (images) which are on international servers, meaning that you cannot download the images (which in a badly designed website can mean you cannot access the site at all).

Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about people who choose to manage and host their sites badly.

What I can suggest is that you use the following DNS settings (and not "auto-detect"):
Primary DNS: 168.210.2.2
Secondary DNS: 196.14.239.2

Hope that helps,
 
Okay, I hope that'll help...

What I did was got a 1GB international CAP with axxess, now I'm gonna setup Routesentry with these two accounts. But I'm only connected with axxess on the 1st December. Then I'll setup the 1GB axxess account as international and the 32GB openweb account as local.

Do you think this will work then because I'm getting SO frustrated and I DON'T have patience for crap like this?
 
Even if a site is hosted locally, they often have adservers (and god knows what else) that is international, and which the site *needs* to access before it can load for some stupid reason.

News24.com is another of these.
 
Equinox said:
As you can see, some of the above sites are in fact INTERNATIONAL and are therefore not available via local-only account.
Websites also often link to media (images) which are on international servers, meaning that you cannot download the images (which in a badly designed website can mean you cannot access the site at all).

Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about people who choose to manage and host their sites badly.
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I hope you're not inferring that hosting a site overseas is hosting it 'badly'. :eek:
 
The international and local split up with routesentry should help a lot. IS (openwebs backbone provider) uses satellites for international so at times that could also be partly to blame.

Once your capped on your international access you still get a little int access but very very slow, making it look like it should work but it doesn't work properly ;)
 
I HATE SA internet services, this country needs to do something about the internet here...... Only ppl that have R2500 for internet a month are the satisfied ones.

I have to struggle with *** slow internet just because everything is so expensive and unaffordable

I'll try that DNS thing you said I should and if it doesn't work then I think I should go with the Telkom 2GB account cause my friend has it and believe it or not he's used 12GB's this month and they've only cut him off yesterday
 
bwana v.22 said:
I hope you're not inferring that hosting a site overseas is hosting it 'badly'. :eek:
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If you're a local company and your content is hosted overseas and your client-base is located locally, then yes...you're hosting it badly.
Imagine internet banking through an international server?

Response times between a local peer and local peer is around 32ms. Response times between an international peer is over 400ms. Download speeds between peers overseas and peers locally differ quite alot. Local-only users cant access your site if its hosted overseas.

Need I say more?
 
Okay ppl, I've entered some $hit in the DNS settings and it seems to help a bit.

Thanks for da help, I REALY appreciate it.

(At least this one one good website in SA)
 
general_koffi said:
Even if a site is hosted locally, they often have adservers (and god knows what else) that is international, and which the site *needs* to access before it can load for some stupid reason.

News24.com is another of these.
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IOL also have a load of internationally hosted ads.
Adblock Plus for Firefox sorted those out nicely. Too bad about their ad revenue but I'm not waiting for 10 minutes to download the front page on a local-only account.

Now I don't even see those "I'm a 24 year old man looking to meet men between the ages of 20 and 35." ads. :sick:
 
Equinox said:
Need I say more?
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Sure - you can point me in the direction of the local hosting service that offers 20gb and 400 Gigs/Month data, unlimited email boxes, unlimited domains, and all the other usual bells and whistles for r40 per month.

If not then I'll live with a response time of 250ms that I'm getting.
 
Equinox said:
If you're a local company and your content is hosted overseas and your client-base is located locally, then yes...you're hosting it badly.
Imagine internet banking through an international server?

Response times between a local peer and local peer is around 32ms. Response times between an international peer is over 400ms. Download speeds between peers overseas and peers locally differ quite alot. Local-only users cant access your site if its hosted overseas.

Need I say more?
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You can't really blame people for hosting sites overseas considering the costs of local hosting though.
 
Syndyre said:
You can't really blame people for hosting sites overseas considering the costs of local hosting though.
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Why havent the ISP banded together to bring telkom to task for this? I suppose if money is being made why rock the boat.
 
bwana v.22 said:
Why havent the ISP banded together to bring telkom to task for this? I suppose if money is being made why rock the boat.
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That's what I'm wondering. Its not really Telkom anyway, or at least not only them, AFAIK the majority of local sites are on the IS backbone. It could probably never be as cheap as it is internationally with Telkom's influence, but if they differentiated between international and local traffic it would be much cheaper, especially considering most visitors to SA sites are local.
 
bwana v.22 said:
Sure - you can point me in the direction of the local hosting service that offers 20gb and 400 Gigs/Month data, unlimited email boxes, unlimited domains, and all the other usual bells and whistles for r40 per month.

If not then I'll live with a response time of 250ms that I'm getting.
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Cheap doesn't mean that its better hosting. Sure...its better for your pocket. But if your users are all hosted in SA, its not best for them.

At the end of the day, only Telkom thinks that it's pocket is more important than it's users.

I host a site that moves about 2TB a month in traffic (http://www.dota-allstars.com) and I reckon I'd have to prostitute every person in my distant family to afford the hosting charges of that locally. Because the MAJORITY of users are located in the states, we host it in LA. It would be cheaper for me to host it at hetzner.de in Germany, but in the interest of the users, you host it in the USA.

The same applies here. If you're intending on having a target audience of South African users, then you should host locally.
 
Equinox said:
Cheap doesn't mean that its better hosting. Sure...its better for your pocket. But if your users are all hosted in SA, its not best for them.

At the end of the day, only Telkom thinks that it's pocket is more important than it's users.

I host a site that moves about 2TB a month in traffic (http://www.dota-allstars.com) and I reckon I'd have to prostitute every person in my distant family to afford the hosting charges of that locally. Because the MAJORITY of users are located in the states, we host it in LA. It would be cheaper for me to host it at hetzner.de in Germany, but in the interest of the users, you host it in the USA.

The same applies here. If you're intending on having a target audience of South African users, then you should host locally.
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Except that the differential between prices in the US and prices in Germany is probably much smaller than that between SA and the US/Germany.
 
Assuming you're a South African community and you're not moving warez, the price of local hosting is usually affordable enough.
 
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