Why Cloud Sucks..

ghoti said:
Bull****.

Try hack my google docs. Freeken faker. Not even China can get into my google docs.

Generally every issue you raised about cloud computing was wrong, or can be applied to legacy computing but on a much higher risk scale.

Please dont post what you clearly have no clue about. "Cloud computing" is not some new fangled contraption that some IT early adopters are taking on. Its being around for several years now and has a really good track record. Its got a much higher track record than some Windows computer techie claiming he can hack getting upset at cloud computing because its costing him a job.
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And this is public cloud services (PaaS), which are inherently less secure than building a system from the ground up with IaaS.
To be honest, the most vulnerable part of correctly set up IT is human beings and physical intrusion
 
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I thought the trojan pc was a poor company name and then I saw the website... good grief dude. Ask for this thread to be removed and come back when people don't remember it.
 
Your files could be lost if you forget to pay for your online storage.
You would have to be hosting with the worst kind of people then :/ Also any wise person uses local sync backup onsite.

Your files are controlled by an outside company.
No, their storage platform is controlled by them, your files are controlled by you.

Security breaches will leave your secured files vulnerable.
No more than the everyday discovered vulnerabilities.

Must always have an internet connection to access your files.
Well that is 1 part HA, if your argument is connectivity, then what if you lost all routing in your office and local SAN/NAS?

Could take more time to sync large files than its worth.
If the files are important to you, and important to backup then worth kinda justifies itself.

Your files are subject to the Patriot Act and ARE NOT confidential at all.
Given our legislation you cannot store customer personal information offshore anyway. Also Which country's patriot act?

Storage company could fold without warning.
And this is why you have onsite sync as well.

Servers could go down temporarily or for a long period of time.
And this is why you have onsite sync as well and do not host with MTN/Afrihost.

No recycle bin for deleted files.
You don't need one as most providers do a full backup every day and some even do so every 4 hours. There is also a shredding period and all SDD/HDD get nuked as a part of decommission procedures for some cloud providers.

Encryption is very limited.
Limited to your own ability.

Lack of available technical support.
Well that is a lie.

Cloud Computing makes your IT excessively dependent on the Internet.
And IT has not in the past 2 decades been "excessively dependent on the Internet."?

Cloud Computing makes you dependent on the goodwill of your ISP.
Assuming non cloud solutions make you "dependent on the goodwill" whatever deity prevents hardware failure?

Cloud Computing will expose you to the unethical practices of your ISP.
Unlikely. Always read the T's & C's

Cloud Computing is against the spirit of Personal Computing. You don't own the data or programs.
Then I suggest you exorcise your personal computing demons, also I don't see hos this is a point???

Cloud Computing makes your Cloud Data subject to American law besides the patriot act.
Repeat point?

Cloud Computing exposes your Confidential Data to Hackers.
You have that the other way around. Physical access/LAN/WAN "exposes your Confidential Data to Hackers."

Cloud Computing is of little consequence for the Average Small to Medium Business.
Actually its the best thing for startup's and SME's who don't have that starting capitol to get greatest of infrastructures.

Cloud Computing does not contribute to your national economy.
And you have actual statistics to prove this, backed up by real financial reports?

Cloud Computing is not be as reliable as touted..
You must be a troll -.-'

Myth busted!
 
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FFF4Skin said:
Your files could be lost if you forget to pay for your online storage.
You would have to be hosting with the worst kind of people then :/ Also any wise person uses local sync backup onsite.

Your files are controlled by an outside company.
No, their storage platform is controlled by them, your files are controlled by you.

Security breaches will leave your secured files vulnerable.
No more than the everyday discovered vulnerabilities.

Must always have an internet connection to access your files.
Well that is 1 part HA, if your argument is connectivity, then what if you lost all routing in your office and local SAN/NAS?

Could take more time to sync large files than its worth.
If the files are important to you, and important to backup then worth kinda justifies itself.

Your files are subject to the Patriot Act and ARE NOT confidential at all.
Given our legislation you cannot store customer personal information offshore anyway. Also Which country's patriot act?

Storage company could fold without warning.
And this is why you have onsite sync as well.

Servers could go down temporarily or for a long period of time.
And this is why you have onsite sync as well and do not host with MTN/Afrihost.

No recycle bin for deleted files.
You don't need one as most providers do a full backup every day and some even do so every 4 hours. There is also a shredding period and all SDD/HDD get nuked as a part of decommission procedures for some cloud providers.

Encryption is very limited.
Limited to your own ability.

Lack of available technical support.
Well that is a lie.

Cloud Computing makes your IT excessively dependent on the Internet.
And IT has not in the past 2 decades been "excessively dependent on the Internet."?

Cloud Computing makes you dependent on the goodwill of your ISP.
Assuming non cloud solutions make you "dependent on the goodwill" whatever deity prevents hardware failure?

Cloud Computing will expose you to the unethical practices of your ISP.
Unlikely. Always read the T's & C's

Cloud Computing is against the spirit of Personal Computing. You don't own the data or programs.
Then I suggest you exorcise your personal computing demons, also I don't see hos this is a point???

Cloud Computing makes your Cloud Data subject to American law besides the patriot act.
Repeat point?

Cloud Computing exposes your Confidential Data to Hackers.
You have that the other way around. Physical access/LAN/WAN "exposes your Confidential Data to Hackers."

Cloud Computing is of little consequence for the Average Small to Medium Business.
Actually its the best thing for startup's and SME's who don't have that starting capitol to get greatest of infrastructures.

Cloud Computing does not contribute to your national economy.
And you have actual statistics to prove this, backed up by real financial reports?

Cloud Computing is not be as reliable as touted..
You must be a troll -.-'

Myth busted!
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This is more like it, someone had the patience to humour you, Mr. Trojan Troll.
 
aybbleek said:
This is more like it, someone had the patience to humour you, Mr. Trojan Troll.
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It's a bit tacky jumping in with name-calling after someone took the time to reply properly. Do you want a discussion or are you trying to start an argument?
 
TrojanPc said:
As for the security of cloud computing, we stand by our statement..
It's easier to listen to client / server communications that it is to see IE stored passwords..
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Can you provide references please, especially when TLS is used, which is pretty standard fare?

I agree with other people here that the biggest security risks are usually people, not systems, whether cloud or otherwise.
 
aybbleek said:
And this is public cloud services (PaaS), which are inherently less secure than building a system from the ground up with IaaS.
To be honest, the most vulnerable part of correctly set up IT is human beings and physical intrusion
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Google Docs is actually SaaS... Predeveloped application and software with access to granted to whom ever.

Also PaaS is Platform's that allow you the user to build on top of...
 
saor said:
It's a bit tacky jumping in with name-calling after someone took the time to reply properly. Do you want a discussion or are you trying to start an argument?
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I'm agreeing with the reply by FFF4Skin, not starting an argument
 
FFF4Skin said:
Google Docs is actually SaaS... Predeveloped application and software with access to granted to whom ever.

Also PaaS is Platform's that allow you the user to build on top of...
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Sorry FFF4Skin you are correct, wasn't paying proper attention to what I was typing, but you can develop for Google Docs too.
 
aybbleek said:
Sorry FFF4Skin you are correct, wasn't paying proper attention to what I was typing, but you can develop for Google Docs too.
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That's ok :D I just do [IPS]aaS to get it over with xD

Also I am pro-cloud as I have built [IPS]aaS systems... and when you understand the constructs and concepts and follow good ethics... you can't go wrong :)
 
FFF4Skin said:
Cloud Computing makes you dependent on the goodwill of your ISP.
Assuming non cloud solutions make you "dependent on the goodwill" whatever deity prevents hardware failure?
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hahahah! :wtf: I wish I could find that deity!
 
I've always been skeptical of cloud security. Worked for an insurance company that wanted to move everything to the cloud (confidential data of clients etc) and I voted against it. Whether I was being overly paranoid or not I'm not sure but it doesn't feel right to have that kind of data one link removed from the company itself. Maybe I'm being old fashioned but unless I have full control over the systems etc it makes me worry that it's not 100% secure. I've always felt that with cloud systems the control is in the hosts hands and that something may be overlooked which could be detrimental to operations and security.
 
Cloud based PaaS, IaaS, SaaS - all awesome technologies and make life so much easier. They're stable, secure, instantly available, scaleable, etc and removes endless headaches from IT depts BUT one has to keep the so called "Black Swan" scenarios at the back of mind and keep a local sync or backup or some kind of local DR solution.

However unlikely, **** can happen - scenarios include:

1. Legal and political - a major provider having to unexpectedly cut off services due to legal injunction from competitor or legislation.
2. Software integrity - a scenario where a provider propagates an update across its platforms that breaks something catastrophically. It can and has happened, but normally rapid rollback procedures result in only a few hours disruption.
3. Communications infrastructure - e.g. international cable disruptions, the recent 512K BGP routing bug in Cisco routers, etc etc

The days of stressed techs and devs trying to maintain a hodgepodge of disparate servers and applications in a cobbled together DC in the company basement SHOULD be well and truly over (although I suspect not entirely). Just have some backup plan for the Black Swan.
 
Rubbish...

All points about Internet connection, SIP etc only applies to countries like SA.
Elsewhere, internet access just works.

I work for a Norwegian Iaas\Paas\Saas provider and in those parts of the world, most businesses choose to have their entire infrastructure in the cloud. It's been that way for years...

Not going to list the points made but can confirm none of those are things I've experienced and should not happening as long as proper procedures are followed.

Our main product is a complete infrastructure in Hybrid Cloud.
User logs in to remote desktop with all their applications, email, data etc hosted and managed by us with a SLA of 10 hours for new orders, 1 hour for incidents and 3 hours average for service requests (password, new user, access etc)
 
OP is clearly not in a position to make these assertions.

What do I mean by that?

It's simple: anyone who has had to fit a solution to a financial plan within cash flow constraints would say what I am about to say: cloud is an utter no brainer when you consider the cost of an internally managed hardware stack, the inability to scale (AWS can automagically scale according to load) and the cost of resources to run the cursed thing.

Trust me when I tell you: I do not select solutions based on fads and trends. Cold hard cash money is the driver for these decisions.
 
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