Why did Mbeki resign ?

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Whether it's a good thing or not we'll find out in due course.

But I'm confused as to why Mbeki ' walked '.

Judge Nicholson only went as far as to say Mbeki ' may ' have been involved. Even had he said he ' was ' involved, that would have to be proved in court.

So on what grounds was Mbeki ' recalled ' ?

I understand the decision to oust Mbeki was made following the NPAs decision to appeal the ruling ?

Again, why ?

Surely they have the right to appeal - or are they saying Mbeki ordered/requested the NPA to appeal ?

This appears to be a bloodless coup, but Mbeki seems to have walked caught behind, without anyone hearing the knick and without the umpires calling him out.
 
The National Executive Committee (NEC) asked him to resign. If he had chosen to ignore this request he would have faced a vote of no confidence in Parliament which would have been far more humiliating.

As to why they asked him, they claim it is to heal the ANC ahead of the national elections next year. The ANC is currently divided into Zuma supporters and Mbeki supporters and they want the infighting to stop.

The real reason though is probably revenge for his involvement in getting Zuma to trial.
 
It's just not a battle he could have won. While he may still have his supporters within the ANC, by and large the loyalty is to the party rather than the man. If he decided to fight the NEC he would have lost a further amount of support and put him in a dangerous position when the election did roll around (i.e. they'd be much more likely to find something to charge him on when he leaves office).

Also as much as the DA, IFP, ID all moan about how this was handled, if there had been a no-confidence vote they would have lined up and voted against him.

Finally it comes down to the perennial problem of Africa: getting presidents to bugger off. I think that with all of Thabo's fighting for the African Renaissance it would be a tragic irony if he acted like the "strongman" refusing to give up power "when the people have spoken". Even if you don't consider the ANC election at Polokwane to be a truly democratic event, to a vast majority of people in South Africa it was the elections and April will just be a formality.
 
boramk said:
Wait, this means no more infighting ANC?
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Shows over folks.

Unless Thabo Mbeki has been hiding some really charismatic dude on his side, I can't imagine he'll be able to pull anything else off. The only person who was remotely charismatic (and I use the term loosely) was Ebrahim Rasool, but even he, Mr I-Can't-Keep-My-Big-Mouth-Shut, has gone quietly into the night.

Of course I could be utterly wrong and people will pop back out of the woodwork turning it very exciting next week! :D
 
The ANC consists of idiots. How on Earth asking Mbeki to resign is going to "heal" tensions is beyond me. It's just going to anger the Mbeki supporters more. I'm all for a split of the party - means they won't have that 2/3rds majority they currently have in parliament.
 
Yes I am. :D
Are you denying this is what is happening? Any idiot can see what has happened. Clearly they do not want Zuma to go to jail and will do anything to stop that happening.
 
marine1 said:
Yes I am. :D
Are you denying this is what is happening? Any idiot can see what has happened. Clearly they do not want Zuma to go to jail and will do anything to stop that happening.
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You make light of a very serious situation...if things were at all bad then you wouldn't be able to leave your house this morning.

Yes, I may not like Zuma but consider this: Mbeki dug his own grave when his ascent to the top came at the expense of many capable politicians- Ramaphosa and Sexwale.

Remember when the late Steve Tshwete went on television and named names of people who were "plotting to overthrow" the government? That was the moment I started to realise that T-Boz was paranoid and didn't have the support of the rank and file in the ANC.

Zuma may be an incompetent politician but he definitely knows how to play the role of a victim...Sexwale/Ramaphosa and Phosa could identify with him and that's why they supported him in his fight against Mbeki even if Zuma's hands weren't always exactly clean.

Chances are that a deal was made behind the scenes that would see no charges being pursued against Mbeki for his "abuses of State power" which would, for the moment, keep the ANC united. But the Sunday Times reports that this message may not have been communicated to many of Mbeki's supporters amongst them Muleleki George who has promised an announcement soon on his political future.
 
Lydon said:
The ANC consists of idiots. How on Earth asking Mbeki to resign is going to "heal" tensions is beyond me. It's just going to anger the Mbeki supporters more.
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Mbeki has very little in terms of supporters, the JZ camps have by far the largest support in SA, simply because of big promises. Once his camp gets into power, these promises will need to be delivered, and thats where the scenario gets a bit murky.

Also to answer the questions of why Mbeki was fired - to end any chance of the conservative side of the ANC squashing the left wing.
 
brixton tower said:
That was the moment I started to realise that T-Boz was paranoid and didn't have the support of the rank and file in the ANC.
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And do you know why Mbeki didn't have enough support from the masses or within his own political party? It was because he refused to follow left-wing neo-communist policies during his era in government, these will now be introduced by the next government.

I have read first-hand their(alliance and left wing ANC) internal policies for the future, back in 2001. I pray that they have been drastically changed since then, else SA is in for a disaster of irreversible proportions.

Think nationalisation of large companies (Telkom, SASOL etc), seizing of foreign owned property, land reform, all for "the benefit of the poor".
 
Generator Man said:
Think nationalisation of large companies (Telkom, SASOL etc), seizing of foreign owned property, land reform, all for "the benefit of the poor".
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Nationalisation of Telkom/Sasol? I thought government had significant stakes in these companies already.

You, like Mbeki, seem to be far removed from reality. Despite all the huffing and puffing by the likes of Julius Malema nothing will change drastically apart from increased social spending and perhaps more gravy being flung the way of Zuma loyalists in the business community.
 
daveza said:
This appears to be a bloodless coup, but Mbeki seems to have walked caught behind, without anyone hearing the knick and without the umpires calling him out.
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Welcome to the new world order.

It's time for us to wise up and start taking collection.

If Shabir Sheik can get free medical we can too.
 
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