Why does everyone overtake on the left?

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Dude a Gps isn't accurate, its usually about 6km/h under the actual speed. if your speedometer reads 120km/h the gps will be reading 114km/h So in conclusion if you are driving according the gps, you are 6km/h to fast on avg.

A GPS is exponentially more accurate than a normal car's speedo gauge. This isn't some fanciful thumb-suck, it's fact. Just accept that you've learnt something today.

If you want proof, go page through any issue of CAR magazine. Have a look at their road tests. You'll note that they actually test for the percentage of speedometer error. ;)
 
Dude a Gps isn't accurate, its usually about 6km/h under the actual speed. if your speedometer reads 120km/h the gps will be reading 114km/h So in conclusion if you are driving according the gps, you are 6km/h to fast on avg.

On my Hilux the needle will be on 120kmh while the Garmin tunes I'm doing 109.
 
Dude a Gps isn't accurate, its usually about 6km/h under the actual speed. if your speedometer reads 120km/h the gps will be reading 114km/h So in conclusion if you are driving according the gps, you are 6km/h to fast on avg.

wow, that's just not right at all. source?
 
So if I drive 120km/h I have to add 8% to know what my actual speeds are? then by law I should have gotten more than a 100 speeding tickets because 120km/h is not correct on my clock.

The speed traps work with a margin of error - either 10% or 10km/h, if I recall. They have to, because not all cars' speedos are equally (in)accurate & wanting to prosecute everyone who exceeds the speed limit by 2km/h is daft.

I've driven literally thousands of kilometres on SA's highways, always maintaining 130km/h according to my GPS. I have yet to receive a single ticket.
 
*for the benefit of Nokkie*

Error

Most speedometers have tolerances of some 10% plus or minus mainly due variation in tires diameter.[citation needed] Sources of error due to tire diameter variations are wear, temperature, pressure, vehicle load, and nominal tire size.

Excessive speedometer error after manufacture can come from several causes but most commonly is due to nonstandard tire diameter, in which case the

percent error = 100x(1 - "new diameter"/"standard diameter").

Nearly all tires now have their size shown as "T/A_W" on the side of the tire (See: Tire code), and the tire's

diameter in inches = TxA/1270 + W.

For example, a standard tire is "185/70R14" with diameter = 185x70/1270 + 14 = 24.20 in. Another is "195/50R15" with 195x50/1270 + 15 = 22.68 in. Replacing the first tire (and wheels) with the second (on 15" wheels), a speedometer reads 100 * (1 - 22.68/24.20) = 6.28% higher than the actual speed. At an actual speed of 60 mph, the speedometer will indicate 60 * 1.0628 = 63.77 mph, approximately.

In the case of wear, a new "185/70R14" tyre of 24.4 inch diameter will have ~8mm tread depth, at legal limit this reduces to 1.6mm, the difference being 12.8mm in diamter or 0.5 inches which is 2% in 24.4 inches.

International agreements

In many countries the legislated error in speedometer readings is ultimately governed by the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) Regulation 39[3] which covers those aspects of vehicle type approval which relate to speedometers. The main purpose of the UNECE regulations is to facilitate trade in motor vehicles by agreeing uniform type approval standards rather than requiring a vehicle model to undergo different approval processes in each country in which it is to be sold.

European Union member states must also grant type approval to vehicles meeting similar EU standards. The ones covering speedometers [4] [5][6] are similar to the UNECE regulation in that they specify that:

* The indicated speed must never be less than the actual speed, i.e. it should not be possible to inadvertently speed because of an incorrect speedometer reading.
* The indicated speed must not be more than 110 percent of the true speed plus 4 km/h at specified test speeds. For example, at 80 km/h, the indicated speed must be no more than 92 km/h.

The standards specify both the limits on accuracy and many of the details of how it should be measured during the approvals process, for example that the test measurements should be made (for most vehicles) at 40, 80 and 120 km/h, and at a particular ambient temperature. There are slight differences between the different standards, for example in the minimum accuracy of the equipment measuring the true speed of the vehicle.

The UNECE regulation relaxes the requirements for vehicles mass produced following type approval. At Conformity of Production Audits the upper limit on indicated speed is increased to 110 percent plus 6 km/h for cars, buses, trucks and similar vehicles, and 110 percent plus 8 km/h for two or three wheeled vehicles which have a maximum speed above 50 km/h (or a cylinder capacity, if powered by a heat engine, of more than 50 cc). European Union Directive 2000/7/EC, which relates to two and three wheeled vehicles, provides similar slightly relaxed limits in production.

Australia

There were no design rules in place for speedometers in Australia prior to July 1988. They had to be introduced when speed cameras were first used. This means there are no legally accurate speedometers for these older vehicles. All vehicles manufactured on or after 1 July 2007, and all models of vehicle introduced on or after 1 July 2006, must conform to UNECE Regulation 39.[7]

The speedometers in vehicles manufactured before these dates but after 1 July 1995 (or 1 January 1995 for forward control passenger vehicles and off-road passenger vehicles) must conform to the previous Australian design rule. This specifies that they need only display the speed to an accuracy of +/- 10% at speeds above 40 km/h, and there is no specified accuracy at all for speeds below 40 km/h. All vehicles manufactured in Australia or imported for supply to the Australian market must comply with the Australian Design Rules.

[8] The state and territory governments may set policies for the tolerance of speed over the posted speed limits that may be lower than the 10% in the earlier versions of the Australian Design Rules permitted, such as in Victoria.[9] This has caused some controversy since it would be possible for a driver to be unaware that he is speeding should his vehicle be fitted with an under-reading speedometer. [10]

United Kingdom

A speedometer showing mph and km/h along with an odometer and a separate 'trip' odometer (both showing distance traveled in miles).

The amended Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 permits the use of speedometers that meet either the requirements of EC Council Directive 75/443 (as amended by Directive 97/39) or UNECE Regulation 39.[11]

The Motor Vehicles (Approval) Regulations 2001[12] permits single vehicles to be approved. As with the UNECE regulation and the EC Directives, the speedometer must never show an indicated speed less than the actual speed. However it differs slightly from them in specifying that for all actual speeds between 25 mph and 70 mph (or the vehicles' maximum speed if it is lower than this), the indicated speed must not exceed 110% of the actual speed, plus 6.25 mph.

For example, if the vehicle is actually travelling at 50 mph, the speedometer must not show more than 61.25 mph or less than 50 mph.

United States

As of 1997, Federal standards in the United States allowed a maximum 5% error on speedometer readings.[13] Aftermarket modifications, such as different tire and wheel sizes or different differential gearing, can cause speedometer inaccuracy.

GPS

GPS devices are capable of showing speed readings based on how far the receiver has moved since the last measurement. As the GPS is an independent* system, its speed calculations are not subject to the same sources of error as the vehicle's speedometer. Instead, the GPS's positional accuracy, and therefore the accuracy of its calculated speed, is dependent on the satellite signal quality at the time. Speed calculations will be more accurate at higher speeds, when the ratio of positional error to positional change is lower. The GPS software may also use a moving average calculation to reduce error.

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I drive the R21 nearly every day and I usually drive in the slow lane at 120km/h and weave between the left and middle lanes.
There are 4 lanes but hundreds of idiots who drive at 100km/h in the middle two lanes while another twit decides to overtake a 1km long queue of cars in the fast lane at 110km/h.

If the left lanes are open and you're not prepared to drive 120 then move over you idiots!
Actually I take that back. Stay where you are so I can cruise past you in the left lane at 120km/h.
 
I drive the R21 nearly every day and I usually drive in the slow lane at 120km/h and weave between the left and middle lanes.
There are 4 lanes but hundreds of idiots who drive at 100km/h in the middle two lanes while another twit decides to overtake a 1km long queue of cars in the fast lane at 110km/h.

If the left lanes are open and you're not prepared to drive 120 then move over you idiots!
Actually I take that back. Stay where you are so I can cruise past you in the left lane at 120km/h.

You do realise that sometimes you are the reason the people in the right lane cant move over to the left? Because otherwise they'd cut you off/crash into you? I cant remember how many times a slower vehicle would legitimately overtake someone, then gets someone up his ass who then immediately overtakes on the left as soon as its clear without giving half a chance for the slower vehicle to move over
 
When driving the highway between joburg and pta i always stick to the two left most lanes and i'll be going fastest on the road. everyone is usually so eager to get to the "fast" lane that i'll get nice long gaps in the leftmost lane. plus i'm purposefully avoiding the peeps going slow in the right most lane

I usually chill in the right most lane when i want to go exactly 120 to many a merc/beemer/whatever drivers annoyance. If they try to pass on the left i speed up until they hit some traffic at which point i slow down so as not to create a gap behind me. I get bored, and it entertains me. Plus some peeps drive like their fathers own the road just cause they buy them slk's
 
You do realise that sometimes you are the reason the people in the right lane cant move over to the left? Because otherwise they'd cut you off/crash into you? I cant remember how many times a slower vehicle would legitimately overtake someone, then gets someone up his ass who then immediately overtakes on the left as soon as its clear without giving half a chance for the slower vehicle to move over

Because 90% of the time when you give them 10 chances to move over... they stay right freaking there... so we save each other the annoyance and just pass on the left...
 
Because 90% of the time when you give them 10 chances to move over... they stay right freaking there... so we save each other the annoyance and just pass on the left...

Exactly. I usually give them 5 car lengths and if they haven't moved over by then I over take on the left.
Further more I will never change lanes or over take if it means that I will slow someone down - it grates my nerves when people pull out in front of me and I have to slam on brakes.
That's when I get vindictive, overtake them and slam on my brakes to see whether they also enjoy the experience.
If I cannot match the speed of someone coming from behind then I stay put until there is an adequate gap - even if that means sitting for 2 minutes behind a truck doing 40km/h uphill.
People are so damn inconsiderate on the roads.
 
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I usually chill in the right most lane when i want to go exactly 120 to many a merc/beemer/whatever drivers annoyance. If they try to pass on the left i speed up until they hit some traffic at which point i slow down so as not to create a gap behind me. I get bored, and it entertains me. Plus some peeps drive like their fathers own the road just cause they buy them slk's

Are you 12?
 
The speed limit is an actual limit, not a suggestion or a guideline. I drive close to or on it.

I don't sit in the right-hand lane. Like I said this is when you have clear lanes on the left and the right - people seem to prefer overtaking on the left!

Why you have a problem when people pass you on the left when that lane is open to traffic. Why don't you drive in the left lane anyway?
 
I also think people should learn about other cars engines, drivetrain etc.
If you on the highway at an incline and you driving a 4 cylinder and there's a 6 cylinder or a turbo charged(including most diesels) you should move to the left!
A turbo or 6 cylinder won't lose a lot of power going uphill while a 4 cylinder will.
 
[Quattro];5521217 said:
I also think people should learn about other cars engines, drivetrain etc.
If you on the highway at an incline and you driving a 4 cylinder and there's a 6 cylinder or a turbo charged(including most diesels) you should move to the left!
A turbo or 6 cylinder won't lose a lot of power going uphill while a 4 cylinder will.

That's overcomplicating the issue with assumptions and inaccuracies. I said earlier: "If it's safe for you to be in any lane to the left of you [at your current speed], you should be in it. If you aren't, you're a poephol." That's it, really.
 
When driving the highway between joburg and pta i always stick to the two left most lanes and i'll be going fastest on the road. everyone is usually so eager to get to the "fast" lane that i'll get nice long gaps in the leftmost lane. plus i'm purposefully avoiding the peeps going slow in the right most lane

I usually chill in the right most lane when i want to go exactly 120 to many a merc/beemer/whatever drivers annoyance. If they try to pass on the left i speed up until they hit some traffic at which point i slow down so as not to create a gap behind me. I get bored, and it entertains me. Plus some peeps drive like their fathers own the road just cause they buy them slk's

Ja that happens a lot, left lanes are clear and a easy drive.

I remember this one guy speeding & weaving through traffic from Uhmlanga to Durban and when when got to the main intersection coming into durban he was only like 4 cars ahead of us at the robot :D
 
What nnoys me is when people decide to change lanes at the last minute then you have to hit the breaks, the worst thing is when you do the same to them they go ape****, I found that the worse at person is at driving the more angry and vocal the driver is.
 
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