Why DStv cannot offer individual channels

[SubtleBeast]

I have said it many times in previous threads. Its not a DSTV problem, its a SA economy problem.
Yes DSTV will probably fall some day. What most clowns don't understand is that they are giving great value.

100% with you on this; regardless, DSTV can go some way towards giving us poor Saffers even better value.

 

[konfab]

Again show us anywhere in the world, nothing to do with SA or exclusive SA broadcasting rights. Where we can buy a Rugby only subscription.
You want DSTV to do something that no other company in the world thought to be viable?

You can enjoy live and free access to all Rugby World Cup games on RugbyPass TV if you're located in the following countries: Albania, Bulgaria, China, Cyprus, Greece, Hungary, Liechtenstein, Malta, Mongolia, Myanmar, Slovakia, South Korea, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Vietnam.

https://www.world.rugby/news/834901...o-transform-entertainment-for-fans-everywhere

Get rekt.

World rugby is going to monetise Rugbypass.tv eventually.

There are two business models. You can either target a larger profit per customer or get a lower profit and target more people.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

https://www.world.rugby/news/834901...o-transform-entertainment-for-fans-everywhere

Get rekt.

World rugby is going to monetise Rugbypass.tv eventually.

There are two business models. You can either target a larger profit per customer or get a lower profit and target more people.

OMG is that your final answer? Can you not see the problem with that answer?
When they monetize it please let us know, then we can bring it into discussion, till then its just a pipe dream to try and boost your failing argument.
And streaming World cup games to a few countries that does not play/watch/broadcast rugby is no solution for any rugby fan.

 

[Hush9300]

Wake up, and stop hitting your head on the floor. It is not only painful, it is stupid.

It is you who is hitting his head because you're after a product that the world, not just South Africa, haven't figured out yet.

In other words you do not have a value profile in your life, that fits, the market. Not sure where that places, you. But enjoy!

Huh, I know that DStv Premium offers me value so I happily pay it while you're jumping through hoops to cater to your viewing habits, all the while trying to force your opinion on the company down everybody's throats. As if I have skin in this game...

I have my share of issues with DStv but until something better comes along. And by that I mean 1 place where I can watch all the sport I consume in the comfort of my home I am unfortunately stuck with them.

 

[Hush9300]

Problem is, for a growing number of households, this simply isn't working anymore, either because of prohibitive costs or family dynamics.

And I admit that their offering is for an ever shrinking customer base.

Problem no. 2, it doesn't and DSTV trying to shoehorn customer into their oddly shaped boxes aren't working anymore.
The game has moved on.

As opposed to the customer shoehorning what he believes to be his value onto everybody else without for minute considering the economy of scale?

There is no right or wrong here... The world hasn't figured out à la carte viewing yet. Not even disruptors like Netflix have because even they're sold bundles to make it viable. Next people are going to complain about why they're paying for Series on Netflix when they only watch movies.

Problem no. 3, it's not easy, but with a bit of research and technical know-how, more and more are doing this. "Legal" or not.

Exactly. It's not so easy... So how is it that you think it could be a walk in the park for a company servicing a population.

 

[konfab]

OMG is that your final answer? Can you not see the problem with that answer?
When they monetize it please let us know, then we can bring it into discussion, till then its just a pipe dream to try and boost your failing argument.
And streaming World cup games to a few countries that does not play/watch/broadcast rugby is no solution for any rugby fan.

Again show us anywhere in the world, nothing to do with SA or exclusive SA broadcasting rights. Where we can buy a Rugby only subscription.

I gave you an example of it being handed out for free. Don't try and move the goalposts.

Just take the L.

 

[Hush9300]

Ducking and diving, are you

I'm not ducking and diving. I offered my point of view.

You've offered... Crickets

Why don't you tell us how DStv can remain profitable while offering select, affordable, channels to every Tom, Dick and Harry? Let's hear it.

 

[SubtleBeast]

And I admit that their offering is for an ever shrinking customer base.



As opposed to the customer shoehorning what he believes to be his value onto everybody else without for minute considering the economy of scale?

If there's a big enough demand the company should respond.
I guess there's not, so DSTV can carry on their merry way.

Exactly. It's not so easy... So how is it that you think it could be a walk in the park for a company servicing a population.

Wasn't referring to MC. Argh...

 

[elf_lord_ZC5]

It is you who is hitting his head because you're after a product that the world, not just South Africa, haven't figured out yet.

I am happy, without DSTV ... , would be nice, but not nice enough at that price.

Huh, I know that DStv Premium offers me value so I happily pay it while you're jumping through hoops to cater to your viewing habits, all the while trying to force your opinion on the company down everybody's throats. As if I have skin in this game...

I have my share of issues with DStv but until something better comes along. And by that I mean 1 place where I can watch all the sport I consume in the comfort of my home I am unfortunately stuck with them.

Stick with them, it is your coin ...

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

I gave you an example of it being handed out for free. Don't try and move the goalposts.

Just take the L.

Yes I don't participate in kindergarten arguments.

 

[Swa]

So Spur and every other restaurant should close because they are not run the way you two geniuses think they should be run?

Every other restaurant? There's choice and I can go to another restaurant that offers what I want, unlike Multi"choice". Point is the model they use is self imposed and if they fail to adapt to consumer demands they'll lose.

If you take away the sport from dstv it is just a few old movies and series, just like Netflix and Disney. Thats worth about R100-R200 a month.
So will you and the rest be happy paying R700-R800 a month for sport only package? I am sure their was a poll sometime on how much people would pay for sport only and that was not close to that figures.

Glad you agree with me it's not worth R599 for Kyknet, and that's not even the normal price. You can't seem to wrap your head around a la carte vs buffet and still think it should be all sport or nothing. The people watching all the sport aren't the ones complaining, it's those forced to pay the whole price including movies, kids, Mnet when all they want are one or two events. There's other options like single events or series or ppv that all work out cheaper for those not watching a lot of sports.

 

[Hush9300]

If there's a big enough demand the company should respond.
I guess there's not, so DSTV can carry on their merry way.

Here's the thing though. Like most things, the consumer and service provider relationship is symbiotic. If the consumer gets what he wants while the provider falters then eventually there is nothing.

The entire broadcast model needs to be refreshed. Not just DStv offering à la carte viewing. Netflix et al are running into problems of their own and as a result consumers are having to fork out more and more.

Wasn't referring to MC. Argh...

I know, the point is that it is a complex problem on both ends of the spectrum.

 

[Hemi300c]

It took them how many years to come up with this..................

 

[elf_lord_ZC5]

Here's the thing though. Like most things, the consumer and service provider relationship is symbiotic. If the consumer gets what he wants while the provider falters then eventually there is nothing.

By the same token, if the consumer, walks away, the provider is screwed, and there is nothing - also.

I know, the point is that it is a complex problem on both ends of the spectrum.

And the current take it or leave it / like it or dump it model has run its's course. The providers know it, as do the consumers.

So far the providers are sticking to their position. Resulting in DSTV currently being technically bankrupt. Not a good place for a so called "Big Boy Company".

They have seen it coming, and have not budged - the point of no return is close.

 

[PaulGherkin]

For anything to improve, Multichoice's arrogant attitude will have to go- that's a non-negotiable.
Reality: ain't gonna happen. These greedy CEOs and shareholders will go down with it and then blame the consumer, the white man, Apartheid, etc...

 

[elf_lord_ZC5]

For anything to improve, Multichoice's arrogant attitude will have to go- that's a non-negotiable.
Reality: ain't gonna happen. These greedy CEOs and shareholders will go down with it and then blame the consumer, the white man, Apartheid, etc...

The African Way ...

 

[BBSA]

Today it is our way or the high way and tomorrow they will be crying again about piracy

 

[Swa]

Yes 90% of all these new and old SA rugby fans will only pay a single rugby subscription for Springbok games. Thus they will only subscribe for 2-3 months per year. Will that cover the broadcasting rights and all the salaries and expenses for the year?
And the smaller competitions like Currie cup, URC will just not be available on SA tv for the big rugby fans, as there will not be enough money coming in to broadcast it.

That isn't my problem. If they can't adapt to what the market wants they should get out. Sports bodies are overpaid as it is. If there's money to be made someone will always be willing to broadcast it.

If you were to individually pay for every sport and league that DStv offers you would be well over the subscription of the entire bouquet.

Now, I'm no fan of DStv or linear TV but it is a bit disingenuous to sit there and mock the value proposition of DStv especially as it pertains to sport. You'd be hard pressed to find better value in the rest of the world.

That said, DStv has to make some changes because consumer viewing has evolved. Another poster mentioned pay-per-view and those daily, weekly and monthly passes that Sky offered. This is something they should look into.

It would still be cheaper for one or two than the whole package. Few people will want everything so this argument falls flat. I don't care what the value is in the rest of the world as I'm not interested in an all you can eat buffet but I'm forced to pay for it when what I want would cost me no more than R300-400 elsewhere.

What a weird rant... Nobody is forcing you or anybody to subscribe to DStv or to buy anything out of your price range. What we are debating is the value proposition of DStv in it's current form (which for an ever shrinking consumer base is topnotch) and the shift in consumers viewing habits.

So it makes sense to keep increasing the price while the consumer base decreases rather than do something about why it's shrinking?

It is not a stupid analogy. If the hotel is getting a discount on bundled meats, fruits and veggies then they're going to include it in the buffet. What else are they're supposed to do? Throw it away or donate it...

Perhaps sell each meat and the fruit and vegetables on their own to a wider consumer base and thereby make the same or more? You know like places like Makro do? You also don't seem to know how broadcasting prices are structured.

Again show us anywhere in the world, nothing to do with SA or exclusive SA broadcasting rights. Where we can buy a Rugby only subscription.
You want DSTV to do something that no other company in the world thought to be viable?

The point is I can watch rugby elsewhere for cheaper than the price of a full Dstv subscription if I don't want all of the other Dstv crap. Same for F1. You also seem to be stuck on DVDs. The world has moved on mate, and people are going for what they want. It happened with music already and now it's happening with TV.

No, that's not what I'm saying, and your analogy is nonsensical. What would be a better analogy as an example... Let's say your family requires all of or at least some of a Jimny, Corolla, Audi and a Polo but as an aside the AMG is capable of servicing the entire family's needs. Would you walk out with 3 or 4 or just the 1?

If I walk into a DStv showroom, based on affordability, I pick what services my needs or my family's collective needs best. Currently that is their Premium Package because I consume a lot of Sport while my wife is into the entertainment stuff. This doesn't mean that you have to. You can select the Compact Package if it services your needs, if there is nothing for you then you go elsewhere.

THIS is nonsensical. As we keep explaining Dstv is trying to sell you the AMG when all you really want is the Jimmy or the Corolla or the Audi or the Polo. Analogies are usually a poor way of explaining things.

Please stop talking BS. Netflix have nothing to do with DSTV. DSTV have cheap non sport packages. Nobody ever complained about DSTV cheap packages.
You all complain because you want to watch sport for cheap. Nothing to do with movies or series.
Show us a Netflix or similar with similar price that provide proper live sport that we want to watch in SA, otherwise leave the stupid Netflix argument out.

You're as out of touch as your Dstv boardroom brethren if you think that. I'm not interested in most of their sport. All I really want is Kyknet and WWE but have to pay almost the full price for it.

How so? As an example, F1 TV has their own broadcast with pundits etc as evidenced by their offering as well as licensing to linear TV broadcasters such as Sky who sub-license to Supersport etc. Now if we remove the Linear TV broadcasters and their license fees who then solely pays for the cost of production?

Have you noticed that OTT services are increasing their prices more and more often than Linear TV broadcasters recently. What used to cost R100 on Netflix just a few years ago is now R200 with ever more restrictions. Why is that?

The consumer may well be flexible but if he really wants to watch in the comfort of his own home he is going to have to fork out.

Part of the problem is that people also want it to be ad free. I always said it's going to be a problem and some like Netflix are now starting to address it with cheaper ad subsidised packages.

 

[elf_lord_ZC5]

I'm not ducking and diving. I offered my point of view.

You've offered... Crickets

Why don't you tell us how DStv can remain profitable while offering select, affordable, channels to every Tom, Dick and Harry? Let's hear it.

But if they come with an acceptable offer, I will bite. If not, no skin off my nose.

And no, I am not going to "tell" them, how to run their business. Have no interest in playing in that game.

If the status quo was so great, DSTV would not currently be "technically insolvent " and praying that the Canal + deal goes thru. If it does not, they are going to lose 50 + % of current valuation overnight.