Why ever did i chose winblows 10

Took too long for sajunky to wade into this discussion, his M$ filters must be failing him.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Took too long for sajunky to wade into this discussion, his M$ filters must be failing him.
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Someone said his brain was failing him, with some of the bizarre things he's writing I'm wondering if that wasn't a joke but an accurate observation.
 
Geoff.D said:
Amazing thread! Has a tantrum, then finds a faulty cable ...... Where are the diagnostic skills?

And then goes of about how Win 10 works and a long list of complaints ---- ALL mostly of OPs own making and not wanting to first understand how WIN 10 works, THEN change the way he likes to configure things.
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Lol you cracking me up, throwing your toys out the cot i see lol, clearly you don't understand the big list of flaws in windows. Definately a windblows sugercoat preaching puppet.
 
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Now since all the piggies decided to play ball and keep it going, might as well throw in the long list of why winblows 10 is an ebarrasment to your own pc (and boy....what a farce it is) lol :

Now the second kind of issues is intrinsic to Windows 10 only

Windows 10 spies on you and even more so on your children aka phones home (welcome NSA/CIA/thoughtcrime/1984)! Microsoft added spying features to Windows 7/8.1 as well (more general list). Microsoft officially admits that automatic spying cannot be disabled in Windows 10.

The official Microsoft guide on Windows 10 telemetry settings contains this beautiful tidbit: "Ability to gather user content, such as documents, if they might have been the trigger for the issue". Now, Microsoft states that user files can be requested only on the "Full" level of telemetry, however you need to bear in mind that this feature is built-in, it's remotely triggered, and it can be used to get any of your data any time they want.


In April 2017 Microsoft published a list of things it's collecting from your PC at the basic telemetry setting (Web Archive copy).
Wow, just wow: Microsoft now openly publishes its collected data in regard to Windows 10 users:
"Over 44.5 billion minutes spent in Microsoft Edge across Windows 10 devices in just the last month" - we spy on Edge users.
"Over 82 billion photos viewed within the Windows 10 Photo app" - you're using our Gallery app, right? Great!
"Gaming continues to grow on Windows 10 – in 2015, gamers spent over 4 billion hours playing PC games on Windows 10" - we now know what apps you're running and for how long.


Starting October 2016 telemetry (spying) became impossible to disable in Windows 7 and 8.1 because Microsoft changed the way it distributes updates for those two operating systems.
Windows 10 Enterprise, which is the only version where ostensibly telemetery can be fully disabled, is still contacting various data collection servers despite your privacy settings.
Microsoft's EULA grants Microsoft the rights to use any of your content related to the services like Bing, Cortana (a built-in file indexer and search in Windows 10), OneDrive or Skype: "you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content". You can read Microsoft's response here which paints everything in a positive light however after Snowden's leaks it's hard if not impossible to take them seriously.


Microsoft pushes Windows 10 so hard it actually started spreading FUD even about its own older OSes:
Microsoft started lying through their teeth about Windows 7: "We do worry when people are running an operating system that's 10 years old that the next printer they buy isn't going to work well, or they buy a new game, they buy Fallout 4, a very popular game, and it doesn't work on a bunch of older machines. And so, as we are pushing our software vendors and hardware partners to build great new stuff that takes advantage of Windows 10 that obviously makes the old stuff really bad and not to mention viruses and security problems".
Egregious lying continues: Microsoft falsely states that newer Intel and AMD CPUs will only be supported by Windows 10. If that were actually true you wouldn't be able to run MS-DOS on Intel Skylake yet you can, perfectly (edit: later, Microsoft reneged on not supporting Skylake CPUs). Perhaps they are talking about new advanced features of the said CPUs, but their wording means the opposite: like you cannot physically run any older Windows releases on these new CPUs.
Microsoft is getting desperate: the users of Intel Kaby Lake CPUs and AMD Ryzen CPUs will no longer receive Windows 7/8.1 updates at all. More information.

Microsoft unlawfully forced its hardware partners (Intel and AMD) to stop supporting previous versions of Windows; that's why you can't use your integrated Gen 7 Intel/AMD Raven Ridge graphics in Windows 7/8.1 (inf modification hacks notwithstanding).
Microsoft desperately wants to install Windows 10 on pretty much all computers running Windows 7/8/8.1, even though some older hardware is not compatible with Windows 10 due to missing drivers. In certain cases, drivers for Windows 10 are buggy and incomplete, which means after upgrading you end up with a broken PC you cannot use or its features don't work like they should.

Microsoft has lost its mind and they now aggressively try to foist/force Windows 10 on unsuspecting users. Oh, it's now official: they will forcefully install it everywhere they can in 2016.

Windows 10 will forever be beta software (specially after they fired a large chunk of their QA/QC department and instead delegated testing to the insiders):
A new model of development with no Windows 11 in sight.
Two Control Panels (read below).

Microsoft hides the information about Windows 10 updates, so oftentimes you won't even know what certain updates are aimed to fix or improve. Also Windows 10 updates may have unintended consequences and unannounced changes in behaviour (it's already been confirmed).

Microsoft sometimes pushes half-baked updates which kill end-users' PCs or cause a lot of damage (this is a wonderful read). Make sure you also read an article about the cluster**** called Anniversary Update - there are numerous reports that the installer kills all the partitions which Windows doesn't know about (Linux users beware).
August 2016 anniversary update broke millions of web cameras.
September 2016 security update broke print functionality for certain users.
December 2016 update broke the DHCP service (read Internet connection) for many users.
GWX application updates the PCs which are incompatible with Windows 10 because there are no drivers available for PC components or periphery devices like printers/scanners/etc.
 
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cont Lol :D

You've got no real control over crucial features of the OS:
Windows 10 will have no service packs which means it will always be a work in progress and you are a perpetual beta tester.
Forced updates you cannot opt out of (and Microsoft have borked quite a lot of them recently so prepare to see your Windows die after installing a new batch of updates - actually Microsoft has already borked one update, read horror stories about KB3081424). In December 2016 Chris Capossela, chief marketing officer at Microsoft, admitted that the company had gone too far with the way Windows updates are distributed.

Safe Mode has become impossible to access unless you've booted into ... the running OS, which totally defeats its purpose. Also Safe Mode is hidden behind almost a dozen of steps vs. a single F8 key press on boot in every Windows version from 95 to 7.
Windows 10 anniversary update makes it very difficult (read impossible for average users) to disable Cortana.
Windows 10 violates basic networking principles: it ignores the hosts files, the DNS protocol and firewall rules and sends telemetry data regardless.


Microsoft says that there will be at least two service updates (or whatever their names are) for Windows every year, and each update is basically a new version of Windows, so:
Twice per year you may reinstall software deemed not required by Microsoft.
Some features you grew dependent on will be removed without providing any alternatives.
Your preferences will be reset to default, so you'll need to go through them regularly.
Some Metro applications will be reinstalled if you deleted them previously. New wonderful Metro applications will be installed.
Expect your group policy settings and tweaks to be completely removed or changed and the only way to get them back is to upgrade to Windows 10 Enterprise.
Certain software titles and drivers will cease to work.
Windows 10 features terrible UI inconsistency, not limited to: [block]Windows Evolution. Click to view the full image
Two kinds of font antialiasing (ClearType v2 for classic applications and some awful dirty grayish something for Modern apps).

Truth to be told it's not a problem with HiDPI monitors but few people own them.
All kinds of varying visual decorations and styles (some people have discovered up to seven varying styles in Windows 10).
Absolutely dissimilar classic and modern (PC settings) control panels.
Different font faces and sizes all around.
Different styles of settings for modern apps.
Absolutely different context menus and their appearance in different applications and apps.
Terrible hardly-configurable appearance, dubious design choices and extremely limited functionality (vs Windows 7/XP):
Two Control Panels with absolutely zero thought given to how they differ and why each one should be used.
Some Control Widgets are spread between the two Control Panels which is utterly confusing (e.g. User Management).
No Windows classic UI for windows decorations. Windows decorations can hardly be configured at all in Windows 10.
An awful choice of colors/palette.


Absolutely awful, childish and amateurish icons (the current release features slightly better icons) as if we live in the era of eight-bit displays (only rivalled by those in Windows 3.1 from 1992). Windows 2000 in 1999 looked better than Windows 10 in 2015.
A big number of Windows 10 apps are still NOT on par with their classical counterparts from Windows 7/Vista/XP (many features are missing or many options are not configurable).

The start menu is an unusable abomination. Sometimes classic Win32 applications are not listed anywhere. Applications are listed as a list which is nigh impossible to scroll.
Windows 10 sucks terribly if you are an unlucky user of a metered Internet connection:
It features huge mandatory system and apps updates (you cannot disable them, you can only postpone the system reboot after their installation). A note for smug commentators: certain home users/companies use a 3G uplink connection (for instance via a router which supports USB 3G modems), which means Windows 10 doesn't and cannot know how it's connected to the Internet.

As if it wasn't enough, Windows 10 gets downloaded automatically if you run Windows 7 or 8.1. We are talking about 3-6 gigabytes of data some people absolutely do not need.
It uses your free bandwidth to distribute updates to other users nearby you.
Windows 10 Pro edition has become more or less unsuitable for small enterprises because Windows 10 anniversary update removes the ability to disable the following "features" (more like annoyances):
Microsoft Consumer Experience: personalized recommendations or, in simple terms, ads in the start menu.
Windows Tips.
The Lock Screen.
Disable all apps from the Windows Store.

To disable these "features" you will have to purchase a subscription for Windows 10 Enterprise or Education editions.
Interesting (read awful) features for developers and power users:
Visual Studio 2015 C++ compiler secretly inserts telemetry code into binaries.

Windows 10 anniversary update blocks all drivers which are not signed by Microsoft. At the moment the ext2fsd driver and VirtualBox will cease to function.
In Windows 10 certain not-so-old games and applications either do not work or have severe problems.
Windows 10 shows full-screen ads on your lock screen.
March 2017 update: Windows Explorer now shows ads for OneDrive.
A new shocker: Windows 10 installs apps behind your back without your approval. The first Windows anniversary update without asking first reinstalls Skype and auto-logins you.
Windows 10 resets your default applications to built-in Microsoft's ones after each major update.
As has already been mentioned, different Windows 10 releases are different operating systems altogether, so Microsoft is "free" to deprecate the support for your hardware even if it came with Windows 10 preinstalled. So, Microsoft decided it no longer wants to allow new Windows releases on PCs having an Intel Clover Trail Atom CPU inside.

With Wi-Fi sense enabled anyone you have in your Skype, Outlook or Hotmail contacts lists — and any of your Facebook friends - can be granted automatic access to your Wi-Fi network as long as they're within range.
A newly-created user profile weighs over 300MB (!) while containing zero (!) information about the user.
A newly-created user profile is populated with all the default apps instead of giving the user a choice.
 
Wanted to be helpful but too much emotions and insults, not enough information. Admittedly I only read the first few posts but that was enough to send my apathy levels to over 1000.
 
Nope first interview went well, the other company is too far though :)
 
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FlyUAv said:
Now since all the piggies decided to play ball and keep it going, might as well throw in the long list of why winblows 10 is an ebarrasment to your own pc (and boy....what a farce it is) lol :

Now the second kind of issues is intrinsic to Windows 10 only

Windows 10 spies on you and even more so on your children aka phones home (welcome NSA/CIA/thoughtcrime/1984)! Microsoft added spying features to Windows 7/8.1 as well (more general list). Microsoft officially admits that automatic spying cannot be disabled in Windows 10.

The official Microsoft guide on Windows 10 telemetry settings contains this beautiful tidbit: "Ability to gather user content, such as documents, if they might have been the trigger for the issue". Now, Microsoft states that user files can be requested only on the "Full" level of telemetry, however you need to bear in mind that this feature is built-in, it's remotely triggered, and it can be used to get any of your data any time they want.


In April 2017 Microsoft published a list of things it's collecting from your PC at the basic telemetry setting (Web Archive copy).
Wow, just wow: Microsoft now openly publishes its collected data in regard to Windows 10 users:
"Over 44.5 billion minutes spent in Microsoft Edge across Windows 10 devices in just the last month" - we spy on Edge users.
"Over 82 billion photos viewed within the Windows 10 Photo app" - you're using our Gallery app, right? Great!
"Gaming continues to grow on Windows 10 – in 2015, gamers spent over 4 billion hours playing PC games on Windows 10" - we now know what apps you're running and for how long.


Starting October 2016 telemetry (spying) became impossible to disable in Windows 7 and 8.1 because Microsoft changed the way it distributes updates for those two operating systems.
Windows 10 Enterprise, which is the only version where ostensibly telemetery can be fully disabled, is still contacting various data collection servers despite your privacy settings.
Microsoft's EULA grants Microsoft the rights to use any of your content related to the services like Bing, Cortana (a built-in file indexer and search in Windows 10), OneDrive or Skype: "you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content". You can read Microsoft's response here which paints everything in a positive light however after Snowden's leaks it's hard if not impossible to take them seriously.


Microsoft pushes Windows 10 so hard it actually started spreading FUD even about its own older OSes:
Microsoft started lying through their teeth about Windows 7: "We do worry when people are running an operating system that's 10 years old that the next printer they buy isn't going to work well, or they buy a new game, they buy Fallout 4, a very popular game, and it doesn't work on a bunch of older machines. And so, as we are pushing our software vendors and hardware partners to build great new stuff that takes advantage of Windows 10 that obviously makes the old stuff really bad and not to mention viruses and security problems".
Egregious lying continues: Microsoft falsely states that newer Intel and AMD CPUs will only be supported by Windows 10. If that were actually true you wouldn't be able to run MS-DOS on Intel Skylake yet you can, perfectly (edit: later, Microsoft reneged on not supporting Skylake CPUs).

Microsoft unlawfully forced its hardware partners (Intel and AMD) to stop supporting previous versions of Windows; that's why you can't use your integrated Gen 7 Intel/AMD Raven Ridge graphics in Windows 7/8.1 (inf modification hacks notwithstanding
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FlyUAv said:
You've got no real control over crucial features of the OS:
Windows 10 will have no service packs which means it will always be a work in progress and you are a perpetual beta tester.
Forced updates you cannot opt out of (and Microsoft have borked quite a lot of them recently so prepare to see your Windows die after installing a new batch of updates - actually Microsoft has already borked one update, read horror stories about KB3081424). In December 2016 Chris Capossela, chief marketing officer at Microsoft, admitted that the company had gone too far with the way Windows updates are distributed.


Microsoft says that there will be at least two service updates (or whatever their names are) for Windows every year, and each update is basically a new version of Windows, so:
Twice per year you may reinstall software deemed not required by Microsoft.
Some features you grew dependent on will be removed without providing any alternatives.
Your preferences will be reset to default, so you'll need to go through them regularly.
Some Metro applications will be reinstalled if you deleted them previously. New wonderful Metro applications will be installed.
Expect your group policy settings and tweaks to be completely removed or changed and the only way to get them back is to upgrade to Windows 10 Enterprise.
Certain software titles and drivers will cease to work.
Windows 10 features terrible UI inconsistency, not limited to: [block]Windows Evolution. Click to view the full image
Two kinds of font antialiasing (ClearType v2 for classic applications and some awful dirty grayish something for Modern apps).

Two Control Panels with absolutely zero thought given to how they differ and why each one should be used.
Some Control Widgets are spread between the two Control Panels which is utterly confusing (e.g. User Management).
No Windows classic UI for windows decorations. Windows decorations can hardly be configured at all in Windows 10.
An awful choice of colors/palette.


Absolutely awful, childish and amateurish icons (the current release features slightly better icons) as if we live in the era of eight-bit displays (only rivalled by those in Windows 3.1 from 1992). Windows 2000 in 1999 looked better than Windows 10 in 2015.
A big number of Windows 10 apps are still NOT on par with their classical counterparts from Windows 7/Vista/XP (many features are missing or many options are not configurable).

The start menu is an unusable abomination. Sometimes classic Win32 applications are not listed anywhere. Applications are listed as a list which is nigh impossible to scroll.
Windows 10 sucks terribly if you are an unlucky user of a metered Internet connection:
It features huge mandatory system and apps updates (you cannot disable them, you can only postpone the system reboot after their installation). A note for smug commentators: certain home users/companies use a 3G uplink connection (for instance via a router which supports USB 3G modems), which means Windows 10 doesn't and cannot know how it's connected to the Internet.

As if it wasn't enough, Windows 10 gets downloaded automatically if you run Windows 7 or 8.1. We are talking about 3-6 gigabytes of data some people absolutely do not need.
It uses your free bandwidth to distribute updates to other users nearby you.
Windows 10 Pro edition has become more or less unsuitable for small enterprises because Windows 10 anniversary update removes the ability to disable the following "features" (more like annoyances):
Microsoft Consumer Experience: personalized recommendations or, in simple terms, ads in the start menu.
Windows Tips.
The Lock Screen.
Disable all apps from the Windows Store.

To disable these "features" you will have to purchase a subscription for Windows 10 Enterprise or Education editions.
Interesting (read awful) features for developers and power users:
Visual Studio 2015 C++ compiler secretly inserts telemetry code into binaries.

Windows 10 anniversary update blocks all drivers which are not signed by Microsoft. At the moment the ext2fsd driver and VirtualBox will cease to function.
In Windows 10 certain not-so-old games and applications either do not work or have severe problems.
Windows 10 shows full-screen ads on your lock screen.
March 2017 update: Windows Explorer now shows ads for OneDrive.
A new shocker: Windows 10 installs apps behind your back without your approval. The first Windows anniversary update without asking first reinstalls Skype and auto-logins you.
Windows 10 resets your default applications to built-in Microsoft's ones after each major update.
As has already been mentioned, different Windows 10 releases are different operating systems altogether, so Microsoft is "free" to deprecate the support for your hardware even if it came with Windows 10 preinstalled. So, Microsoft decided it no longer wants to allow new Windows releases on PCs having an Intel Clover Trail Atom CPU inside.

With Wi-Fi sense enabled anyone you have in your Skype, Outlook or Hotmail contacts lists — and any of your Facebook friends - can be granted automatic access to your Wi-Fi network as long as they're within range.
A newly-created user profile weighs over 300MB (!) while containing zero (!) information about the user.
A newly-created user profile is populated with all the default apps instead of giving the user a choice.
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Are you sure you aren't an alt for sajunky?
 
I know OP has since solved the problem but what I would have tried in the absence of a switch is just connect the two PC's directly and set a static IP on each ensuring both IP's/Mask are on the same subnet. Then just do a ping test. These days you shouldn't need a crossover cable? But that is still a possibility.

I have never tried that homegroup thing in windows though. Always just used to set security/sharing permissions myself if needed.
 
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