Why I use a Mac computer, but an Android phone

Jan said:
Well this is just not true. So I've decided to read "general use" to mean "I can game on it", and then your statement makes more sense :D

(I also don't have much use for an iPad, except maybe on planes where getting my laptop open is difficult.)
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You can game on Mac's, as far as I understand,

What I meant were 5 things, mac does really well, video editing in Adobe after effects, specialised tools in journalism, that sort of thing, and make it easy enough for a child to master it.

In creative industries, like journalism and communication, it's very useful I don't doubt that one little bit.
And if my job required me to do 5 tasks perfectly, and nothing else, an iMac or MBP would be my tool of choice (provided I could afford it)

Unfortunately in the real world, you sometimes need to do more than 5 things, and not always can afford such an outlay on an expensive price of kit,

Fair enough, I never used a mac for long periods, but my limited usage up till now, has me constantly asking why would you want that?
 
eg2505 said:
You can game on Mac's, as far as I understand,

What I meant were 5 things, mac does really well, video editing in Adobe after effects, specialised tools in journalism, that sort of thing, and make it easy enough for a child to master it.

In creative industries, like journalism and communication, it's very useful I don't doubt that one little bit.
And if my job required me to do 5 tasks perfectly, and nothing else, an iMac or MBP would be my tool of choice (provided I could afford it)

Unfortunately in the real world, you sometimes need to do more than 5 things, and not always can afford such an outlay on an expensive price of kit,

Fair enough, I never used a mac for long periods, but my limited usage up till now, has me constantly asking why would you want that?
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Ignorance aside, your biggest gripe seems to be that you can't afford one.

If the company who employs you is 95% Mac they would be better served hiring someone who understands the OS and knows what they're doing.
 
bwana said:
Ignorance aside, your biggest gripe seems to be that you can't afford one.

If the company who employs you is 95% Mac they would be better served hiring someone who understands the OS and knows what they're doing.
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He sure did give away the key word, his limited use. Took me awhile to love the Mac. For work I swap between a Mac and a dell. Soon as me project is supported on Mac at work I’m dropping the dell.
 
eg2505 said:
Oh yes, look I think iMacs are designed well, and look smart, and certainly more expensive then nessasary.

And yes I concede that they do the 5 things they have to do, exceptionally well, and they are simple enough for children to fathom.

I just don't see them working well for everything, and their price is more then anybody could reasonably expect.

Let me compare it to a Tesla model 3 , essentially it's an electric battery car. Jazzed up by nice screens and a autopilot system.

But the electric car can be made a lot cheaper, and much more reliable, and simpler to maintain. It can be as simple as a VW beetle even.

Problem is their is no money in it, sadly I must admit, and nobody who builds a cheap electric reliable car can expect to make any money.

Same with the iMac vs pc , one is simple and works nearly everywhere, cheap, and 80% reliable, but not much profit on it.

Another is expensive, limited, and exclusive to people that can afford it.
Like a Tesla car, even though it's quite unnecessary sometimes.
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Comparing Apples with Oranges I see. Just because you can't see the value in an Apple product doesn't mean everyone else has that point of view. I use to say the same, I use to dislike Apple. Got my first MacBook two years ago, fall in love, just a better experience overall, and best of all? It just works, there is no BS, just pure bliss.
 
MacOS is far less restricted than Windows, is the realisation I came to after switching. It’s not perfect, but I would forego any Apple hardware in an instant, if it meant I could keep using the OS as opposed to Windows.

There will no doubt be edge case scenarios on BOTH platforms that cannot be done well by the other - but for the overwhelming majority of use cases, the complexity that can be brought to bear by 3rd party applications is unparalleled.

The quality of 3rd party software on the Mac is probably the most overlooked aspect of any comparison between the two. There are many instances where software equivalents to what is found on the Mac do not exist on PC, or if they do, they are heavily overpriced for an inferior product. Again, that is heavily dependent on what is being done - no doubt there are edge-case scenarios where PC's have software that simply do not exist on the Mac, but that is certainly not the norm.

I spent 25 years on PC's, and about half a decade on Macs. I've seen both sides of that coin - and it is far more complex than what can be reduced down to a statement of Macs being child-friendly toys for those who don't really do 'serious' stuff on their computers. But then that's just my opinion as well.
 
When I type “a_blank” in any app where substitutions are enabled, it creates the HTML code for a link with its target set to “_blank” (which means it opens in a new tab).
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Amazing - I should switch.
 
I see my phone and my computer as separate entities. My computer is my workhorse, and my phone is... well... my phone. The only thing they have in common for me is web browsing.

Integration is irrelevant to me, I don't make use of it.
 
bwana said:
Ignorance aside, your biggest gripe seems to be that you can't afford one.

If the company who employs you is 95% Mac they would be better served hiring someone who understands the OS and knows what they're doing.
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Yip, can't afford and don't want one.
I've not been ignorant, I've been a perfect case of no previous exposure to Mac's, I'm a blank slate, with zero previous attachment or experience.
Learning as I go along, learning to strip the glue that holds the MBP together

Like I said, I've NEVER owned an iPod,iMac,iPhone iPad or Any Apple product.

I got given an iPad to work with, was honestly my first time, hand on heart.
Worked with it for a while, figured things out, and kept on trying to figure out why anybody would want this? Common things were not easy to do,

Same story with a iMac, was my first time honestly speaking,
And yet couldn't figure out why would anybody want such a thing.
I mean sure it's good looking, and it can do it's 5 things very well.
But ask it to do something a bit weird, and things fall apart quickly.

Yes, if I had a mac, I'd use it, but don't think I'll ever like it,
But if it was my job to edit videos or write articles, and my PC knowledge was limited, I'd fall in love with apples simplicity.
 
eg2505 said:
Yip, can't afford and don't want one.
I've not been ignorant, I've been a perfect case of no previous exposure to Mac's, I'm a blank slate, with zero previous attachment or experience.
Learning as I go along, learning to strip the glue that holds the MBP together

Like I said, I've NEVER owned an iPod,iMac,iPhone iPad or Any Apple product.

I got given an iPad to work with, was honestly my first time, hand on heart.
Worked with it for a while, figured things out, and kept on trying to figure out why anybody would want this? Common things were not easy to do,

Same story with a iMac, was my first time honestly speaking,
And yet couldn't figure out why would anybody want such a thing.
I mean sure it's good looking, and it can do it's 5 things very well.
But ask it to do something a bit weird, and things fall apart quickly.

Yes, if I had a mac, I'd use it, but don't think I'll ever like it,
But if it was my job to edit videos or write articles, and my PC knowledge was limited, I'd fall in love with apples simplicity.
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You're trying to argue from a foundation built on ignorance. You probably shouldn't.
 
Windows has the option of a built-in Ubuntu virtual machine, but it can’t make up for a native Unix-like shell.
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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10
which si the ubuntu virtual machine, do look at something like chocolatey. Agreed that a package manager is nice, but you don't really need it after setting up your machine. Windows Store is terrible, I refuse to use it.
MacOS also comes with handy services built in, like a dictionary and thesaurus which is available across apps installed on the system.

This can be accessed using the “look up & data detector” gesture on the trackpad.
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You could probably map this on your trackpad as a gesture.

When I type “a_blank” in any app where substitutions are enabled, it creates the HTML code for a link with its target set to “_blank” (which means it opens in a new tab).
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Just why? Only place I'd use it is in an IDE where e.g. IntelliSense would do it for me. Do check out Emmet.

From a hardware perspective, MacBooks provide consistent performance. Unless I’m doing something system-intensive or let my browser tab situation get out of control, I know that I’ll get close to a full working day’s life out of my battery.
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That made me laugh.

The global standardisation of MacBook models also means you can get support anywhere in the world where Apple has a presence, whether directly or through third parties.
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You've used the core group? It isn't nice. Anywhere else where Apple actually does support, it's all right at best.

Nowadays this isn’t a concern, and there is also better parity between the launch pricing of new iPhones and top-of-the-range Android smartphones.
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Not sure why people are still buying flagships.

WhatsApp uses the respective platforms’ cloud services to back up your messages, pictures, and videos, making it easy to switch to a new device – provided you remain in the same ecosystem.

You may also make manual backups of your WhatsApp messages, but these are not portable across Android and iOS. If I switch to iPhone, I’ll have to make peace with losing all my WhatsApp texts.
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Interesting, are you sure they're not cross-platform compatible? I'm sure there is a desktop client for it on Windows. :p

In short, MacBooks and Android smartphones provide the best feature-to-price compromise for my needs.
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Well, you're mostly browsing and editing HTML stuff on the MacBook, so a cheap laptop would pretty much do the same thing. At that price, you can get a good screen with near any device, trackpad wise, that's getting closer and closer depending on the manufacturer, e.g. Lenovo has quite a few gestures built in but overall Apple's is better, but the butterfly keyboard just makes me go no, plus the lack of a delete key.
 
Do you need to justify your decision? Someone asked you to?

Got given my first i product 2 months ago, a company device. Basket of pros and cons, nothing better and nothing worse than the last 5 Android devices I've had. If I have to pick out of my own pocket, it will not be i though. The price addded to the cons outweighs the pros.

Based on this, and my research when my daughter was told to get a i pc for uni (and I told them where to put the apple), I will not be getting one anytime soon. There is a very good reason why there are more Windows machines out there than i machines.

But, if it floats your boat, good for you. And have fun bringing “a_blank” up in conversations. People must be so in awe of you.:crylaugh:
 
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Whew ... Don't tell iPhone users there is now pricing parity between high end Android and their phone!

They love paying for - and telling people - how much an iPhone costs. That's part of the allure for them.
 
Jan said:
Why I use a Mac computer, but an Android phone

When people see my MacBook, they assume that I have an iPhone. With Apple’s ecosystem so tightly integrated, why wouldn’t they?

However, I have used an Android smartphone since the launch of the HTC Desire in 2010 - and a MacBook laptop as my work machine since 2011.

While iPhones and non-Mac laptops are fine devices, I will never go back to Windows or Linux on my work PC, or switch to iPhone.

That’s not to say it hasn’t been tempting, but there are many small things which when added up, keep me coming back to Mac and Android.
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That is what annoys me about apple people a bit, comparing what apple vs which ever device can or can not do out of the box, especially for some one that installs apps and tinkers about to get the best features out of what ever device and OS they use.

There is probably very little that devices can or can't do with 3rd party apps and a little know how.For 70 year old average joe, it's entirely a different story, but shame on any one technically inclined able to do more then average joe, looking for lazy excuses.

My brother has an Imac, iphone, apple TV, and Ipads, he showed me you can type an email and then move to another device and continue with the same email, and I asked, Yeah so how often do you need to move over to another device to continue the email.

Then I asked how is it any different from cloud based services, or gmail or google docs, there is likely an extra step or two involved with google docs or saving email as a draft.

As a development enviroment it isn't what it use to be, 3D, graphic design, CAD , ect most of these people have moved over to windows.

So no I don't get why you are clinging to tech and OS, that has propriety cables, propriety software, propriety this, plus the short support period for devices and then apple will actively make it more difficult to use the device intentionally....Price of a macbook compared to the hardware you get is stupid....I can afford to break a laptop with macbook type hardware specs and buy a new :D

Thanks very much I will rather have a warm beer for the rest of the year, then consider using an apple device....
 
I'd love a Macbook except for 2 things: price, and lack of gaming hardware/games. But I'm back to using an iPhone after a while of using Android and I still much prefer iOS.
 
wizardofid said:
That is what annoys me about apple people a bit, comparing what apple vs which ever device can or can not do out of the box, especially for some one that installs apps and tinkers about to get the best features out of what ever device and OS they use.

There is probably very little that devices can or can't do with 3rd party apps and a little know how.For 70 year old average joe, it's entirely a different story, but shame on any one technically inclined able to do more then average joe, looking for lazy excuses.

My brother has an Imac, iphone, apple TV, and Ipads, he showed me you can type an email and then move to another device and continue with the same email, and I asked, Yeah so how often do you need to move over to another device to continue the email.

Then I asked how is it any different from cloud based services, or gmail or google docs, there is likely an extra step or two involved with google docs or saving email as a draft.

As a development enviroment it isn't what it use to be, 3D, graphic design, CAD , ect most of these people have moved over to windows.

So no I don't get why you are clinging to tech and OS, that has propriety cables, propriety software, propriety this, plus the short support period for devices and then apple will actively make it more difficult to use the device intentionally....Price of a macbook compared to the hardware you get is stupid....I can afford to break a laptop with macbook type hardware specs and buy a new :D

Thanks very much I will rather have a warm beer for the rest of the year, then consider using an apple device....
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my sentiments exactly,

lets compare it to driving a toyota tazz vs driving a fortuner,

if you drive everyday up sani pass, in huge mud holes and giant rocks everywhere, I can see how driving a fortuner could help.
but to drive around the corner to pick up bread and milk? why would you need that?

and no driving to dullstroom once a year does not count to me as heavy use,
and why would you spend so much on a vehicle with the capabilities of a fortuner if you never going to use it seldom.
besides using it to "show" off to your mates

anyway back on topic, if you use adobe after effects, or photoshop, or something that works great on a macbook,
and you really do need it for your job, and CAN afford it, go right ahead and buy one.
same too if you too lazy to learn a PC, and not savvy enough to learn something else and really battle.
get a macbook,

but I personally find it a bit difficult to justify spending so much on a device that only does 5 things really well,
and its expensive, and its limited in its utility.

when I spend 20K on a macbook, I think what a waste it is when you can buy 3 regular laptops that do exactly the same thing.

like I said before, I might be stuck in my ways, or I might be relentlessly practical, and cant understand peoples excess.
when something a third of the cost will do exactly the same job as before.
 
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