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Screw that - I wish iPhones were cheaper at the same quality level
Lord Farquart
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Either i am nmissing something or you did. On any of the Windows machines I have, be it Laptop or Desktop, the GPU and CPU can be replaces with a few clips or screws. Laptops take some skill, but on a desktop it would take an idiot no more than a few minutes to swap a GPU or CPU.
SauRoNZA
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He did mention laptop in his statement.
And the OP is technically about a Macbook specifically.
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Cool, can still be done.
I thought the article would explore some specific advantage of combining a Macbook with Android. But instead it's a guy who likes Mac (which is fine), and doesn't want to lose his WhatsApp history (which is also fine, but not exactly going to convince anyone else to go for that combo if they’re using something else).
SauRoNZA
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For sure. Just a lot more hassle or specific to models.
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There is so much misinformed chatter going on in here that I had to check that I wasn't in the Windows 10 subreddit. /s
I think Jan's got his own reasons for preferring Android, and I'd wager that the Google Keyboard is enough to keep me on Android for the foreseeable future. That said, a lot of the purpose behind Jan's decision lies with the UNIX-derived kernel on the BSD-derived whatever-the-hell-Apple-chooses-to-call-it-now. MacOS just does its own thing in the UNIX world.
I think there are several good reasons for staying or moving to iOS for both power users and average Joes.
1) The support cycle is four years (sometimes more), instead of Android's two. Apple does put a lot of stock into their product support. The Watch is a good indication of how much work they put into software support.
2) iOS is treated as a first-class citizen by developers. Apps and new features typically roll out to iOS first. For example, see Microsoft's apps. Edge and other apps on iOS are updated on a faster schedule currently than Android (this will change thanks to Microsoft's reorg).
3) Features that get added to high-profile apps typically get tested first on MacOS, especially if they're part of the five biggest reasons why anyone still uses the platform. Adobe's Intel QuickSync integration was tested first on MacOS, AFAIK.
4) Support for a developer-friendly platform. Linux is developer-friendly, but doesn't have a great support structure (unless you've bought RHEL, or have a SUSE support subscription). Windows has a great support structure, but it's arguably less developer friendly depending on what you want it to do. OSX has the best of both worlds for a lot of uses, and my brother's coding school uses MacOS exclusively.
Jesus, man, there are kids on this forum. You can't talk about that in here.
You know, whenever you mention these five things, none of them seem to be really valid in your continual critique of the platform.
Without using MXM slots and socketed CPUs I struggle to see how it might be possible to replace a Core i5-7300HQ with a Core i7-8750H, for example.
I think Jan's got his own reasons for preferring Android, and I'd wager that the Google Keyboard is enough to keep me on Android for the foreseeable future. That said, a lot of the purpose behind Jan's decision lies with the UNIX-derived kernel on the BSD-derived whatever-the-hell-Apple-chooses-to-call-it-now. MacOS just does its own thing in the UNIX world.
I think there are several good reasons for staying or moving to iOS for both power users and average Joes.
1) The support cycle is four years (sometimes more), instead of Android's two. Apple does put a lot of stock into their product support. The Watch is a good indication of how much work they put into software support.
2) iOS is treated as a first-class citizen by developers. Apps and new features typically roll out to iOS first. For example, see Microsoft's apps. Edge and other apps on iOS are updated on a faster schedule currently than Android (this will change thanks to Microsoft's reorg).
3) Features that get added to high-profile apps typically get tested first on MacOS, especially if they're part of the five biggest reasons why anyone still uses the platform. Adobe's Intel QuickSync integration was tested first on MacOS, AFAIK.
4) Support for a developer-friendly platform. Linux is developer-friendly, but doesn't have a great support structure (unless you've bought RHEL, or have a SUSE support subscription). Windows has a great support structure, but it's arguably less developer friendly depending on what you want it to do. OSX has the best of both worlds for a lot of uses, and my brother's coding school uses MacOS exclusively.
Jesus, man, there are kids on this forum. You can't talk about that in here.
You know, whenever you mention these five things, none of them seem to be really valid in your continual critique of the platform.
Without using MXM slots and socketed CPUs I struggle to see how it might be possible to replace a Core i5-7300HQ with a Core i7-8750H, for example.
SauRoNZA
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But the Google Keyboard is on iOS too...
As for the 5 things nonsense. I’ve realised the Ignore list is short for Ignorant list.
I can do EVERYTHING on a Mac I can do on any other platform but do it faster and more efficiently.
And no, not games. That’s what consoles are for and besides it’s only one thing.
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Hot damn. So it is.
My last holdover is Firefox extension support for one that I use to enable YouTube playback with the lockscreen enabled. I should look into that.
Edit: That's a no-go. But, if YouTube Red comes to us locally when I'm about to do my upgrade, that effectively makes iOS a pain-free platform to port to.
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What makes GBoard so good? Every few months I try it out and it never comes close to dethroning Swiftkey for me. The latter has such ridiculously good predictive text - easily superior to anything else I've ever used. With Swiftkey I can just tap away, whereas GBoard and others require constant microadjustments. Swiftkey also has much greater quantity and variety of themes.
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1)your windows or android device still works after 2 years support, android doesn't suddenly decide your are not allowed to access the store because you have an old device...
3) Big apps, in what world is that a big app ?? Illustrator, photoshop, 3dmax, maya, ect are examples of big apps, if quick sync was on the list it would be a footnote scribbled on page 10 by a 4 year old
4)My brother is a fighter pilot that means everyone's brother must be one too, No and no and no and no,fact of the matter is with visual studio you can now develop , windows , iOS and android on the same platform. There is literally no point in having an apple computer unless you are actually developing for that environment in general. BTW 3d max the biggest 3d tool in the world being used by pretty much EVERY CGI, game and animation studio in the world is windows only.
Have a look at the small selection of tools available on mac https://www.autodesk.com/solutions/mac-compatible-software, adobe also has it's issues. Your argument of it being a go to platform for developers, is blown out of the water.....Name a game studio developing games exclusively working on iOS, you won't, that is how stupid that argument is....
Your next argument is going to be, ooh you can use bootcamp for software that doesn't work on mac, how about no, switching between mac in windows isn't an option, with majority of tasks, and if people are any thing like me, there is a constant switch being little and main apps for testing purpose, and various little tweaks.
Work around is nice and well but kills productivity when you need to switch between OS's constantly.Macs are good for "singular task" there really isn't a and or this, the software simply isn't there.
You could argue next that, I could use a mac alternative software to replace the windows base app, you try and replace 3D max, Gimp, Lithunwrap, quixel, toolbag, forester, medusa, meshmixer, with a all in one tool.....
It is by and by large what is practical, macs simply isn't practical in the close and protected enviroment it operates in....
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SauRoNZA
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Lollers. Well played.
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I find Swiftkey to never work properly again this across Android and iOS.
I’m convinced it has something to do with my left handed ness and therefore the manner in which I approach keystrokes or swipes throwing its prediction off.
Gboard works every time.
On iOS the benefit Swiftkey has over Gboard is that it already has Afrikaans support.
Themes are utterly meaningless to me across all keyboards.
However I still use iOS Keyboard most of the time when two handed or not looking for search items. However hardly noticed if I didn't switch back from Gboars whereas with Swiftkey it just doesn't work and that's what alerts me to the change.
SauRoNZA
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1)your windows or android device still works after 2 years support, android doesn't suddenly decide your are not allowed to access the store because you have an old device...
3) Big apps, in what world is that a big app ?? Illustrator, photoshop, 3dmax, maya, ect are examples of big apps, if quick sync was on the list it would be a footnote scribbled on page 10 by a 4 year old
4)My brother is a fighter pilot that means everyone's brother must be one too, No and no and no and no,fact of the matter is with visual studio you can now develop , windows , iOS and android on the same platform. There is literally no point in having an apple computer unless you are actually developing for that environment in general. BTW 3d max the biggest 3d tool in the world being used by pretty much EVERY CGI, game and animation studio in the world is windows only.
Have a look at the small selection of tools available on mac https://www.autodesk.com/solutions/mac-compatible-software, adobe also has it's issues. Your argument of it being a go to platform for developers, is blown out of the water.....Name a game studio developing games exclusively working on iOS, you won't, that is how stupid that argument is....
Your next argument is going to be, ooh you can use bootcamp for software that doesn't work on mac, how about no, switching between mac in windows isn't an option, with majority of tasks, and if people are any thing like me, there is a constant switch being little and main apps for testing purpose, and various little tweaks.
Work around is nice and well but kills productivity when you need to switch between OS's constantly.Macs are good for "singular task" there really isn't a and or this, the software simply isn't there.
You could argue next that, I could use a mac alternative software to replace the windows base app, you try and replace 3D max, Gimp, Lithunwrap, quixel, toolbag, forester, medusa, meshmixer, with a all in one tool.....
It is by and by large what is practical, macs simply isn't practical in the close and protected enviroment it operates in....
I fully agree that switching OS is no way to go and you should just commit.
However by your own example of brother being a fighter pilot just because it doesn't work for you development work doesn't mean it's the case for many others.
And there are a great many things outside of development it does amazingly well.
So no, it's very far from a singular device. It's just not right for your singulad purpose and that's also just fine.
You don't buy a Lamborghini if you actually needed a boat. Both will get you to most places around water but not as effectively depending on your particular needs.
I despise the logic that people who want to use Apple are sheep or informed. They simply differ from you and need different things to make their life better.
For my work environment I don't need Windows but I'm sadly forced to use it. I work much better and faster on Mac OS for it's different workflow systems.
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Issue is it's being peddled here by apple fanboi's like every 3D artist, movie producer, graphics designer, draftsmen, or any artistic, design person or development enviroment is it professional or semi is using end all mac, it's far removed from reality, windows is predominately used and those that do is far more limited.
Lets set you an example.
I have content that needs to be converted, native conversion isn't possible on a mac, software needs to run a script, so I spend the next couple of hours finding out that I need to write a script as well as I need to learn about the content format, ect ect, 10 hours later the content is converted.
Windows user need content converted, no native support by software, download 3rd party application convert and move or, or take the above route and write a script to convert to the format.
With productivity in mind windows can be by far more productive, with singular tasks in mind within the confines of the software, sure macs are great, multitasking multi app workflows.....yeah no since when can an APPLE user multitask
jk
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I've used SwiftKey many times before, but I'm a lefty. I've thrown out the predictive text before, whereas Google Keyboard does a better job of recognising what I'm trying to type. I always switch back once or twice a year to see how SwiftKey might have improved. I'm also going to try out the Blackberry keyboard to see how that does.
1)your windows or android device still works after 2 years support, android doesn't suddenly decide your are not allowed to access the store because you have an old device...
3) Big apps, in what world is that a big app ?? Illustrator, photoshop, 3dmax, maya, ect are examples of big apps, if quick sync was on the list it would be a footnote scribbled on page 10 by a 4 year old
4)My brother is a fighter pilot that means everyone's brother must be one too, No and no and no and no,fact of the matter is with visual studio you can now develop , windows , iOS and android on the same platform. There is literally no point in having an apple computer unless you are actually developing for that environment in general. BTW 3d max the biggest 3d tool in the world being used by pretty much EVERY CGI, game and animation studio in the world is windows only.
1) No, you're right, they don't do that. However, a significant number of Android devices, over a billion of them in fact, will never get patched against the Blueborne vulnerability, will never see Spectre patches, and are vulnerable to a smorgasbord of security flaws that get exploited daily. By contrast, every iPhone from the 5s to the X was patched against vulnerabilities and continues to receive security updates. And the 5s was a September 2013 release. My Xperia Z1 Compact, one of Sony's flagships, only saw one Android version upgrade, and remains vulnerable to Blueborne. My Galaxy S7 is still on Android 7.0, has not been patched against Blueborne, and will likely not see the new Spectre updates on time.
3) Integrating QuickSync into Premiere Pro gives it a big speed boost for laptops which don't have discrete graphics, and it's coming closer to the speed of Final Cut's export times. Final Cut is a big pain in the neck for Adobe.
4) I won't debate the Visual Studio argument with you, because while you have a good point, you're not understanding the point that I'm trying to make here. "Literally no point in having an Apple computer unless you are actually developing for that environment" is further proof that you're not getting it. If you develop a program and start on MacOS, you can easily test your software for MacOS, iOS, and Android, and then testing it on Windows and Linux through virtual machines is dead easy and simple to set up. Now try going in the opposite direction on the other two platforms. The workarounds are clunky, the integration is less elegant, and MacOS doesn't really like being in a virtual machine instance.
And on the Autodesk thing, maybe you should ask Microsoft why Autodesk had to drop support for 3DS Max on Windows 10 through Parallels, because they're the reason why support is now broken.
There are probably iOS-only studios out there but why do you want to know who they are? There are definitely iOS-only games, but how does that prove your point?
Aside from the fact that I know GIMP works on MacOS and I've used it on OSX in the past, I see a conflict between "I could use a Mac alternative software to replace the Windows base app" and "Macs simply isn't practical in the close and protected environment it operates in", because that's total ***. You're literally pulling out some thumbsucked, bull**** excuses to make an inane point about why MacOS isn't suitable for YOUR workflow and needs. I'm pragmatic in my choice of platform, and I simply use what's best for my needs. For you, that's clearly Windows. For someone else, that might clearly be MacOS by a wide margin. By and large the platforms can do similar things and sometimes MacOS does something better than Windows.
That's no reason for you to go ****ting on a decent platform that you won't personally use. Your biases are pushing you to putting forth stupid arguments, and the dumb logic coming out of your brain right now is astonishing.
Jet-Fighter7700
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I agree with this, 100X
like I mentioned cost is an big issue, but also the closed nature of the OS, cra@Plle fanboys love that, but as Ive learned gradually, if causes issues when bugs are identified later on.
Android gets updates, maybe on the unofficial streams lie lineage OS, but gets regular enough updates to keep things working well,
Apple also gets updates, but often times they miss important bugs that get discovered later on.
Apples business model is based on expensive and closed systems, as they make money on new devices and features,
but dont leave a lot of dependability and utility in their systems, when a person drops an Iphone, as I linked the video above, it shatters and never can be used again
not without almost buying a brand new phone, not a problem if you under Icare warranty package, but for those of us in the real world?
its got its own fanboys, and its own great things, no doubt about that, despite waht sauron says,
Android/windows/Linux has its own good and Bad things, no doubt about that, I just think that for general use where you not specializing in something specific,
it fits the bill more,
I mean if cost wasn't an option, and you can afford 3X times more than what you should pay for a laptop you build yourself,
use a macbook or even use an apple phone, if it works use what works for you.
for myself, even though I have thousands of MBP here, I dont really see the point of them, unless it was my job, to do 5 things constantly, and one was provided for my use.
just my 2c worth, but Ill die before I say I like MBP or IOS in general.