Why I use a Mac computer, but an Android phone

[Lord Farquart]

That is what annoys me about apple people a bit, comparing what apple vs which ever device can or can not do out of the box, especially for some one that installs apps and tinkers about to get the best features out of what ever device and OS they use.

There is probably very little that devices can or can't do with 3rd party apps and a little know how.For 70 year old average joe, it's entirely a different story, but shame on any one technically inclined able to do more then average joe, looking for lazy excuses.

My brother has an Imac, iphone, apple TV, and Ipads, he showed me you can type an email and then move to another device and continue with the same email, and I asked, Yeah so how often do you need to move over to another device to continue the email.

Then I asked how is it any different from cloud based services, or gmail or google docs, there is likely an extra step or two involved with google docs or saving email as a draft.

As a development enviroment it isn't what it use to be, 3D, graphic design, CAD , ect most of these people have moved over to windows.

So no I don't get why you are clinging to tech and OS, that has propriety cables, propriety software, propriety this, plus the short support period for devices and then apple will actively make it more difficult to use the device intentionally....Price of a macbook compared to the hardware you get is stupid....I can afford to break a laptop with macbook type hardware specs and buy a new

Thanks very much I will rather have a warm beer for the rest of the year, then consider using an apple device....

Agree wholeheartedly. And the bold part is what pisses me off. I can get more mileage out of a Windows machine than a Mac. That is what they have to say "2013" or "late 2013" model, so you know if the bucket full of transistors is still useable. Windows machine I just upgrade the GPU, CPU(when needed) etc and I can get more years out of the base hardware. When the base hardware gets old, I can most probably reuse the upgraded parts. Much cheaper in the long run.

Had a similar issue this weekend. Cordless drills/screwdrivers are all the rage. But comparing their prices and performance with a cord drill, I relized I can buy 3 cord drills for the price of one cordless .OK, I have to deal with plug locations and extensions, but it is a small setback when saving 2/3rds of the initial cost. Yes, I will not be the hipster with the cordless, but I will ge the job done for much longer that the bun-sporting bearded hipster. At some point he will have to replace his batteries at the same cost as the initial purchase. The I just buy another drill. Sometimes sensibility need to override coolness.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Agree wholeheartedly. And the bold part is what pisses me off. I can get more mileage out of a Windows machine than a Mac. That is what they have to say "2013" or "late 2013" model, so you know if the bucket full of transistors is still useable. Windows machine I just upgrade the GPU, CPU(when needed) etc and I can get more years out of the base hardware. When the base hardware gets old, I can most probably reuse the upgraded parts. Much cheaper in the long run.

Had a similar issue this weekend. Cordless drills/screwdrivers are all the rage. But comparing their prices and performance with a cord drill, I relized I can buy 3 cord drills for the price of one cordless .OK, I have to deal with plug locations and extensions, but it is a small setback when saving 2/3rds of the initial cost. Yes, I will not be the hipster with the cordless, but I will ge the job done for much longer that the bun-sporting bearded hipster. At some point he will have to replace his batteries at the same cost as the initial purchase. The I just buy another drill. Sometimes sensibility need to override coolness.

+1 repd,

bearded hipsters like fashionable things, so they wont buy a cheapie chinese brand scooter, but a vespa that cost 5X more.

or drive a mini cooper/fiat 500 as its fashionable, when a chery qq can do exactly the same job.

same with apple products, I simply cant understand how people can justify spending so much on a computer?
when it does nothing much better than 5 things.

and just to make all the apple fanboys mad, .
[video=youtube;fCWv-ai4bgk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCWv-ai4bgk[/video]

 

[wizardofid]

Agree wholeheartedly. And the bold part is what pisses me off. I can get more mileage out of a Windows machine than a Mac. That is what they have to say "2013" or "late 2013" model, so you know if the bucket full of transistors is still useable. Windows machine I just upgrade the GPU, CPU(when needed) etc and I can get more years out of the base hardware. When the base hardware gets old, I can most probably reuse the upgraded parts. Much cheaper in the long run.

Had a similar issue this weekend. Cordless drills/screwdrivers are all the rage. But comparing their prices and performance with a cord drill, I relized I can buy 3 cord drills for the price of one cordless .OK, I have to deal with plug locations and extensions, but it is a small setback when saving 2/3rds of the initial cost. Yes, I will not be the hipster with the cordless, but I will ge the job done for much longer that the bun-sporting bearded hipster. At some point he will have to replace his batteries at the same cost as the initial purchase. The I just buy another drill. Sometimes sensibility need to override coolness.

Some thing that wants to make me mash their wireless keyboard over their heads and stuff a magic mouse side ways up an apple user's backside, especially when I am not a custom to the macOS, is when the apple user gets smug when you have to take a few minutes to get accustom to the GUI and ask questions as to where this or that is.

I have a windows 7 computer, android 6 phone and tablet, at no point have I ever really needed them to be in a ecosystem, phone and tablet syncs with gmail, play stores syncs up whether using windows, or which ever android device, same applies to using google calendar or any other google app. If you really need some thing specific there is likely a cross platform app for it, likely hood is you can even sideload or get it as freeware, yes android can get quite annoying with ads, but you don't have to spend a small fortune on the device, which in all likely event would need to be purchased on store credit or via means of a contract, and then spend an additional fortune on the apps, where the android store is massively cheaper and more convenient, where you have 100's of options instead of a handful apps.




Even if the costs where the same as windows/android based devices there is still no reason to get it

 

[garyc]

You can see relative pricing by comparing a MacBook Pro and a Dell XPS 13 with the following specs: 13 inch HD display, Kaby Lake i5 processor, 8GB RAM, 256GB PCIe SSD and Intel 620 graphics.

The Apple is R1k more expensive than the Dell, but has a faster processor. These days you simply buy what works for you.

As a development enviroment it isn't what it use to be, 3D, graphic design, CAD , ect most of these people have moved over to windows.

Most of this type of software that I use is Windows and Linux only. There is less support for Apple since they do not have as much suitable hardware in their ecosystem.

 

[wizardofid]

You can see relative pricing by comparing a MacBook Pro and a Dell XPS 13 with the following specs: 13 inch HD display, Kaby Lake i5 processor, 8GB RAM, 256GB PCIe SSD and Intel 620 graphics.

The Apple is R1k more expensive than the Dell, but has a faster processor. These days you simply buy what works for you.



Most of this type of software that I use is Windows and Linux only. There is less support for Apple since they do not have as much suitable hardware in their ecosystem.

Best part you can actually buy different brands with some being even cheaper with the same hardware.
Another gripe is hardware requirements, macOS is almost like the android store, in that software is developed with hardware limitations in mind.

Windows isn't restricted by hardware, it isn't also controlled by a store criteria and requirements, if I want to install a porn searcher I can do so without a store telling me what I can't and can't do, nor do I need to edit or load custom firmwares to make it possible to install 3rd party app to bypass the store.

I don't want to be told what I can and can't do on my personal device.
Seriously just have a look.......
https://play.google.com/store/search?q=Porn&c=apps

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

bearded hipsters will never learn, dont they know a macbook is built in the same factory as a more humble laptop?

dont they realise there is nothing really unique with macbooks vs PC's except that its MUCH more expensive?

I Do buy the argument its easier, just like writing on pen and paper is easier than typing.

I mean if you use a fountain pen to write with, when a cheap pen works just as well, your an Cr@apple person.

 

[wizardofid]

bearded hipsters will never learn, dont they know a macbook is built in the same factory as a more humble laptop?

dont they realise there is nothing really unique with macbooks vs PC's except that its MUCH more expensive?

I Do buy the argument its easier, just like writing on pen and paper is easier than typing.

I mean if you use a fountain pen to write with, when a cheap pen works just as well, your an Cr@apple person.

This is where I will disagree with you, there is nothing wrong with the hardware, the apple person honestly just doesn't know any better, the company and their dubious practices it self is another story entirely, I can't fault the apple user, I will say they can dial their elitism and smugness and android/windows people I can do every thing better and cheaper down a couple of notches.Every devices has it's pros and cons, with apple the cons just far exceeds the pros.....

 

[ArmatageShanks]

Oh yes, look I think iMacs are designed well, and look smart, and certainly more expensive then nessasary.

And yes I concede that they do the 5 things they have to do, exceptionally well, and they are simple enough for children to fathom.

I just don't see them working well for everything, and their price is more then anybody could reasonably expect.

Let me compare it to a Tesla model 3 , essentially it's an electric battery car. Jazzed up by nice screens and a autopilot system.

But the electric car can be made a lot cheaper, and much more reliable, and simpler to maintain. It can be as simple as a VW beetle even.

Problem is their is no money in it, sadly I must admit, and nobody who builds a cheap electric reliable car can expect to make any money.

Same with the iMac vs pc , one is simple and works nearly everywhere, cheap, and 80% reliable, but not much profit on it.

Another is expensive, limited, and exclusive to people that can afford it.
Like a Tesla car, even though it's quite unnecessary sometimes.

What about the G-Wizz? Although the hatred for this car from some people is comparable to the hate experienced by Hitler.

 

[bigboy529]

I grew up using Windows on PC, think my first experience was with Win95 and the last Windows laptop I had as a student had Win7.
To be totally honest up to a certain point in my life I actually disliked Apple products, probably mostly because of the price and because I couldn't afford it.

After the Nokia hay days (I was a big Nokia fan back in the day), I picked up a iPhone 4 for pretty cheap and thought to give it a go. I loved it almost right away, it opened up a new world compared to where Nokia was. During this time I worked on Mac's quite a few times, and just knew I wanted to get a Mac even though Windows 7 still did the job just fine.
I got my first iMac in 2013 and dropped Windows almost completely, since that first iPhone 4 I upgraded to the 6 and now have the 7.

Last year I got myself a 2015 MBP and a couple of months ago due to very specific work things, I had to start doing things on Windows again, so I'm running a Win10 VM on my MBP for when I need it. Win10 was fine in the beginning, no complaints for the little I had to use it, but in the past month or so it has started to ### me off, I now remember why I was sometimes so frustrated with Win Vista and 7.

I'm a Apple fan now, I can't see myself switching to anything else very soon, I like how it integrates, I like both Mac OS and iOS and I like the fact that devices are supported longer so last much longer.

The argument of Apple is more expensive is becoming more and more of a mmoot point IMHO, these days if comparing specs and build quality say a Dell XPS vs MBP, then price is much of a muchness. Same on the phone side, compare the price of the latest iPhone to the latest Samsung Galaxy and there's not much difference.

Look at how long those devices will last and how they will keep their second hand value and it's a total different story, Apple comes out tops hands down.

 

[Lord Farquart]

The argument of Apple is more expensive is becoming more and more of a mmoot point IMHO, these days if comparing specs and build quality say a Dell XPS vs MBP, then price is much of a muchness.

If you wanna be that specific, but go compare the price difference between building your own iMac to building tour own Windows Workstation withn the same specs.

 

[bigboy529]

If you wann abe that specific, but go compare the price difference between building your own iMac to building tour own Windows Workstation withn the same specs.

I last did this a year or so ago to prove to someone that a iMac isn't that much more and the difference came to under R2000, what most people tend to forget when doing this comparison is adding a 4K or 5K monitor to the price of the PC.
Add the price of a 4K or 5K monitor and a nice sleak aluminium case to get the look and feel up there and the picture changes quite a lot.

 

[Lord Farquart]

I last did this a year or so ago to prove to someone that a iMac isn't that much more and the difference came to under R2000, what most people tend to forget when doing this comparison is adding a 4K or 5K monitor to the price of the PC.
Add the price of a 4K or 5K monitor and a nice sleak aluminium case to get the look and feel up there and the picture changes quite a lot.

Please post the results here. Would love to see what you compared. Did you take latest spec Windowes components andf then sourced the same for a MAC, or did you do it the other way around?

 

[bigboy529]

Please post the results here. Would love to see what you compared. Did you take latest spec Windowes components andf then sourced the same for a MAC, or did you do it the other way around?

Can't quite remember, I'll do a comparison again at some point if I have time and come post. Think I took iMac specs and then sourced similar for a PC build.

 

[SeRpEnT]

I miss Airdrop the most.

Tried Superbeam yet? Once you have the app on both your Android and your MacBook, I don't see why it will not be able to transfer files between the two using your wifi or an ad-hoc wifi hotspot.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

What about the G-Wizz? Although the hatred for this car from some people is comparable to the hate experienced by Hitler.

were off topic here, but just to address that,
but is a G-Wizz as reliable as a Beetle?
was the G-Wizz exported around the world? was it produced in enough numbers that people took it apart and made it better?

I mean did anybody try build a beach buggy version of a G-Wizz? no, because it was cr@p,
I mean a reliant Robin was more popular,

nobody has yet attempted to build a cheap electric car, that is reliable and simple enough like the model T ford.

fortunately on topic here, people did take the IBM PC, copy its designs and build compatibles,
apple decided to go premium and build expensive PC's that were all about the design, and not much more then that.

and cost a small fortune.

yes the Hardware is the same as a humble PC, but Apple decided to mess around with trying to make it "exclusive"
thats why it cost so much more, as Intel needs to run another line just for apple CPU's when its almost exactly the same as PC'CPU's.

 

[SauRoNZA]

And here I find myself desperately yearning to be back on MacOS to go along with my iPhone because Windows feels so utterly limiting and illogical.

The Android "open" sales pitch was completely overstated and overplayed in my books and simply limited my workflow more than anything else so I can't imagine how lacking it would feel if I was in the same situation as Jan with a Mac + Android.

A large part of the beauty that is Apple only gets achieved through going All In because it's how they work together where the magic really lies.

No other platform quite integrates the same.

 

[SauRoNZA]

If you wanna be that specific, but go compare the price difference between building your own iMac to building tour own Windows Workstation withn the same specs.

Specs go way beyond the sum of parts though.

Find something with the same food print, made from the same materials with ALL the same functionality and suddenly there isn't that much of a gap any more.

The one limitation you do have is when you want MORE than is available on the Apple side of things for a given form factor then you simply have to make the switch.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

something to make everybody laugh,

[video=youtube;j4IBC91AmvI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4IBC91AmvI[/video]

 

[Genisys]

Agree wholeheartedly. And the bold part is what pisses me off. I can get more mileage out of a Windows machine than a Mac. That is what they have to say "2013" or "late 2013" model, so you know if the bucket full of transistors is still useable. Windows machine I just upgrade the GPU, CPU(when needed) etc and I can get more years out of the base hardware. When the base hardware gets old, I can most probably reuse the upgraded parts. Much cheaper in the long run.

Had a similar issue this weekend. Cordless drills/screwdrivers are all the rage. But comparing their prices and performance with a cord drill, I relized I can buy 3 cord drills for the price of one cordless .OK, I have to deal with plug locations and extensions, but it is a small setback when saving 2/3rds of the initial cost. Yes, I will not be the hipster with the cordless, but I will ge the job done for much longer that the bun-sporting bearded hipster. At some point he will have to replace his batteries at the same cost as the initial purchase. The I just buy another drill. Sometimes sensibility need to override coolness.

Oh really now, would like to see someone replace the GPU on CPU on their laptop. These days even just upgrading ram is impossible due to soldered on RAM on traditional non Apple products.

 

[bwana]

Tried Superbeam yet? Once you have the app on both your Android and your MacBook, I don't see why it will not be able to transfer files between the two using your wifi or an ad-hoc wifi hotspot.

Thanks - I've tried so many that I'm not sure but I'll take a look at it [again?].