Why I went Mac

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The heart of Mac OS X is the Mach kernel - from Nextstep, the object-oriented operating system that made the NeXT (that other visionary company that Steve Jobs founded, and then bought when he returned to Apple) so far ahead of its time. The BSD Unix compatibility is in line with Apple's philosophy of using standards (unlike M$) but there's plenty of real development behind Mac OS X, and you are really missing the point if you describe everything that came from Nextstep as "nothing more than BSD Unix".
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Right on. For anyone interested in taking a look how - well, depending on how you look at it, either how "far ahead" computing was back then, or how "far behind" Microsoft remains today - regardless - or if you're just interested in educating yourself on an important part of computing history so that you have something less than a perspective based on ignorance, there is an interesting demo of NeXTSTEP 3 on YouTube:

[ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=j02b8Fuz73A"]YouTube - NeXTSTEP Release 3 Demo[/ame]

Keep in mind most of what you see there dates from the late 80's, when Microsoft's most amazing offering was still MS-DOS and all the PC users were basically still typing "dir" at their command lines, and Bill Gates was still busy trying to catch up with Mac 1984 features with their in-development Windows 3.0 (which was basically the first 'serious' release of Windows).

There's also a demo of the 1984 Macintosh:

[ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=G0FtgZNOD44"]YouTube - Steve Jobs demos Apple Macintosh, 1984[/ame]

Again, keep in mind this is 1984 - at this time, MS-DOS was only around version 3, and Microsoft only after this STARTED copying this to produce basically their first actual version of Windows six years later. I've been fortunate to have actually used these mid-80's Macs back in the day, as well as NeXTSTEP systems, and it's certainly given me a better perspective on the industry. If you'd actually used a Macintosh, it was painfully obvious all over Windows 3.0 that they were just copying the Mac --- in fact, to this day, MS Paint in XP and Vista even still bear a distinct resemblance to MacPaint '84 (look for yourself), down to the copied icons in the toolbar. Say what you want, but this is just reality - I'm no Mac zealot and still mainly use Windows myself - but it was obvious the entire industry stagnated so badly during the 90's that you could smell it, during the time Apple took such a bad knocking in the market, so I'm glad to see they're now going from strength to strength, competition is good for the industry.
 
PearlJam said:
lol, you fell for it :D
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Actually, I expected you to say that. I know that strategy - say something that can ambiguously be either interpetred as tongue-in-cheek or not; if someone agrees with it you "win", if someone disagrees you also "win" because you can say "well I wasn't serious". How convenient. So I just decided not to play the game. Pick a viewpoint and stick to it, thanks. As for the 5%, well this might shock you: http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ost_mac_sales_while_dell_hp_slump_report.html ... that's 29% of new home computer sales in the US TODAY, say what you like about overall stats etc., but that is significant, and the trend is on the up and up - check the graphs - this is the point where anyone professionally involved with computers either wakes up and admits and realises something big is happening, or falls behind.
 
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Turtle said:
Right on. For anyone interested in taking a look how - well, depending on how you look at it, either how "far ahead" computing was back then, or how "far behind" Microsoft remains today - regardless - or if you're just interested in educating yourself on an important part of computing history so that you have something less than a perspective based on ignorance, there is an interesting demo of NeXTSTEP 3 on YouTube:

YouTube - NeXTSTEP Release 3 Demo

Keep in mind most of what you see there dates from the late 80's, when Microsoft's most amazing offering was still MS-DOS and all the PC users were basically still typing "dir" at their command lines, and Bill Gates was still busy trying to catch up with Mac 1984 features with their in-development Windows 3.0 (which was basically the first 'serious' release of Windows).

There's also a demo of the 1984 Macintosh:

YouTube - Steve Jobs demos Apple Macintosh, 1984

Again, keep in mind this is 1984 - at this time, MS-DOS was only around version 3, and Microsoft only after this STARTED copying this to produce basically their first actual version of Windows six years later. I've been fortunate to have actually used these mid-80's Macs back in the day, as well as NeXTSTEP systems, and it's certainly given me a better perspective on the industry. If you'd actually used a Macintosh, it was painfully obvious all over Windows 3.0 that they were just copying the Mac --- in fact, to this day, MS Paint in XP and Vista even still bear a distinct resemblance to MacPaint '84 (look for yourself), down to the copied icons in the toolbar. Say what you want, but this is just reality - I'm no Mac zealot and still mainly use Windows myself - but it was obvious the entire industry stagnated so badly during the 90's that you could smell it, during the time Apple took such a bad knocking in the market, so I'm glad to see they're now going from strength to strength, competition is good for the industry.
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Thanks for your post on educating the masses, I've also tested the 80's macs but not next.

But you'll still get the windoze fans who will go down defending Microsoft regardless of the facts.
 
sufferwell said:
Thanks for your post on educating the masses, I've also tested the 80's macs but not next.

But you'll still get the windoze fans who will go down defending Microsoft regardless of the facts.
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I got an iMac and I'm happy, can't really argue with a pc user who'se not familiar with a mac.
But it's nice to brag a bit.:)
 
Turtle said:
Actually, I expected you to say that. I know that strategy - say something that can ambiguously be either interpetred as tongue-in-cheek or not; if someone agrees with it you "win", if someone disagrees you also "win" because you can say "well I wasn't serious". How convenient. So I just decided not to play the game. Pick a viewpoint and stick to it, thanks. As for the 5%, well this might shock you: http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ost_mac_sales_while_dell_hp_slump_report.html ... that's 29% of new home computer sales in the US TODAY, say what you like about overall stats etc., but that is significant, and the trend is on the up and up - check the graphs - this is the point where anyone professionally involved with computers either wakes up and admits and realises something big is happening, or falls behind.
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OK, let me play your game. This topic is just so boring that it needs some jokes. But anycase, my view on the matter is that a pc is much more affordable for the masses to acquire due to the fact that you can get low spec and high end spec. Therefore if the greedy Mr Jobs doesn't bring out a cheaper mac they will never capture the market. Fact is that most computer owners out there have lowish spec pc's. I don't have any problems with a mac and i expect people to pay for what they want.

The reason why you don't understand me is the fact that you are a very serious person and don't like lightheartedness.
 
boo mac for no good computer games
boo mac for amount of programs
boo mac for lack of customization

theres so many boos for mac, mac has one good thing graphic, movie design i personally favor it for those too things,
my XP has never givin me problems cause i know what programs mess up a pc and not thanks to VMware

therfore Linux => xp > vista >max OS x
 
there is no point in comparing Mac and Windows.

think of a Mac as a purpose built off-roader. it's brilliant off-road, but useless for anything it was not designed to do.

Windows is your Range Rover. Average everywhere, but very versatile

Linux, is your scrapyard. You can get almost anything, provided you spend the time and effort.
 
approaching from another angle
Apples and oranges, and Peaches(Ubuntu linux)

MAC:
very Expensive (10K+) (vs windows or Linux PC for 5K)
only fast because of high spec hardware
limited but well sorted software
ONLY RUNS ON MAC HARDWARE!!
very limited peripherals
it white!!! :{ - like a washing machine

Windows:
as expensive or cheap as you want
use any hardware you want
massive functionality and software
you can make your PC look the way you want!!!
stable if you look after it properly.
GAMES GAMES GAMES!

Linux:
mix of very stable and very Buggy software
will work on most hardware (be prepare to fiddle and distro-hop)
FAST!!! Good for Business Laptop
you can make your PC look the way you want!!!
 
Sapphiron said:
Linux, is your scrapyard. You can get almost anything, provided you spend the time and effort.
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How does that make it a scrapyard? Once you've spent some time and effort, many things get easier to fix. If this is not the case for you, you're doing something wrong.

Sapphiron said:
Linux:
mix of very stable and very Buggy software
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GNU software is available for Windows and OS X too, so this has nothing to do with Linux.

will work on most hardware (be prepare to fiddle and distro-hop)
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Or you could just stick with one distro and do your homework to get the thing working. Distro-hopping in the vain hope that one day a default installation will fix all your problems is just plain stupid. Surely you're not going to try tell us that other OSs require no tweaking and customisation?
 
Sapphiron said:
there is no point in comparing Mac and Windows.

think of a Mac as a purpose built off-roader. it's brilliant off-road, but useless for anything it was not designed to do.

Windows is your Range Rover. Average everywhere, but very versatile

Linux, is your scrapyard. You can get almost anything, provided you spend the time and effort.
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this is a very idealistic analogy but i find it funny and real to a great extend, too often the gurus overlook the fact that all the little nitty-gritty technicalities aren't really taken into consideration when painting a bigger picture of comparison between things. that being said, yes, your meticulous arguments about the aspects of various systems valid, bear in mind that it's of no concern to the less technically inclined person out there.

I personally feel that a different approach of perspective based on constructive and unbiased criticisms (the above quoted post being a fairly good example of that) would be of greater benefit to everyone rather than the competitive 'pro-this anti-that' or should i call it fanboy-rivalry stance.
 
TheRoDent said:
WHY NOT TO GET A MAC: http://www.scripting.com/stories/2007/12/22/macsAreEvenMoreExpensiveTh.html
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I figured it would be refurbished and sold cheap to someone in a third world country.
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Manufacturers refurbish drives?

My mothers macbook drive died while she was travelling. We opted to buy a new drive (in lieu of a warranty replacement) so that we could attempt to recover the data. Apple was more than happy to let us take the old drive.

I should send that Spintrite story into Security Now :)
 
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