Why should I vote ANC?

[grayston]

Please,don't make ignorant statements.You can guarantee me nothing of that kind.I grew up during the struggle.The Freedom Charter was our bible.You will find that the average DA voter don't know sh1te about their party and their policies,and the reason is simple.They aren't FOR the DA,they are AGAINST the Anc,where Anc voter is FOR the Anc and could'nt care less about the rest...big frikken difference.

There's nothing wrong with being against the ANC.

The ANC may have the freedom charter, and Mandela, and history, but it makes a pig's ear out of just about everything it does ... except lying to its own voters - it's very good at doing that!

Like their claims that it's important for the ANC to get "even stronger" so that it can "put its policies in place". To listen to the ANC, no political party is capable of running a country unless it gets 100% of the vote.

What rubbish.

The DA isn't all wonderful, but it won't bring back pass laws, or discrimination, or apartheid. It won't turn its back on the poor because it rightly understands that poor people are more likely to turn to crime. It won't do away with AA or BEE until the time comes, and it will make sure they aren't abused.

I can think of reasons not to vote for the ACDP (religious maniacs), FF+ (parochial maniacs), COPE (more of the same) or the ID (Patricia, just join forces with Helen already...) but I can't think of a reason not to vote DA.

And the only reasons I hear from ANC members about why I shouldn't vote DA all boil down to the fact that Helen Zille is white, and therefore she must want apartheid back.

Furthermore, the only reasons I hear for voting ANC are "Viva ANC, Viva!", "Mshini Wam!", and of course, "Four legs good, two legs bad!"

Stuff manifestoes - if the DA wants to start winning elections they should be handing out copies of Animal Farm in the townships.

Unfortunately, given the history that many township people had to live through (and are still living through) they'd probably prefer to be a sheep than to be treated like a dog...

 

[Serqet]

Please,don't make ignorant statements.You can guarantee me nothing of that kind.I grew up during the struggle.The Freedom Charter was our bible.You will find that the average DA voter don't know sh1te about their party and their policies,and the reason is simple.They aren't FOR the DA,they are AGAINST the Anc,where Anc voter is FOR the Anc and could'nt care less about the rest...big frikken difference.

"Same can be said for DA, IFP, COPE." i mentioned ANC as that is what the thread was about however, i did make sure to mention that the same can be said for the political party voters of the others. SO please read my comment in its entirity before singling out statements. As a whole voters are ignorant.

 

[Mila]

How about you drop this childish act and rather challenge what you quoted.

JustAsk i'm askin how old are you.

now you wonder why i will not vote ANC. I asked a question and to avoid the answer you throw some BS my way, you practice your politics well done

You brag about your age, so do not be vain and tell us how old you are.

 

[semiautomatix]

My answer was a direct reply to a post i highlighted.You,on the other hand chose NOT to do so.If you want to talk about submarines and 4x4's i suggest you start a thread for that.

If you look back on your post,you'll find your answer does not have any relevance to what you quoted.

My answer was a direct reply to a post I highlighted (namely yours), so please explain how your struggle logic applies here?

Woop! Someone in denial about the Arms Deal, you must be an ANC supporter.

You really don't see the irony in your statement? You claim people shouldn't make wild accusations, yet you go ahead and do the exact same thing!

You will find that the average DA voter don't know sh1te about their party and their policies,and the reason is simple.They aren't FOR the DA,they are AGAINST the Anc

Then when you are confronted about doing everything you claim everyone else had done, you get your back up against the wall. Definitely struggle/revolution mentality.

 

[Mila]

There's nothing wrong with being against the ANC.

The ANC may have the freedom charter, and Mandela, and history, but it makes a pig's ear out of just about everything it does ... except lying to its own voters - it's very good at doing that!

Like their claims that it's important for the ANC to get "even stronger" so that it can "put its policies in place". To listen to the ANC, no political party is capable of running a country unless it gets 100% of the vote.

What rubbish.

The DA isn't all wonderful, but it won't bring back pass laws, or discrimination, or apartheid. It won't turn its back on the poor because it rightly understands that poor people are more likely to turn to crime. It won't do away with AA or BEE until the time comes, and it will make sure they aren't abused.

I can think of reasons not to vote for the ACDP (religious maniacs), FF+ (parochial maniacs), COPE (more of the same) or the ID (Patricia, just join forces with Helen already...) but I can't think of a reason not to vote DA.

And the only reasons I hear from ANC members about why I shouldn't vote DA all boil down to the fact that Helen Zille is white, and therefore she must want apartheid back.

Furthermore, the only reasons I hear for voting ANC are "Viva ANC, Viva!", "Mshini Wam!", and of course, "Four legs good, two legs bad!"

Stuff manifestoes - if the DA wants to start winning elections they should be handing out copies of Animal Farm in the townships.

Unfortunately, given the history that many township people had to live through (and are still living through) they'd probably prefer to be a sheep than to be treated like a dog...

+100
all animals are equal some just more than others.....

 

[semiautomatix]

There's nothing wrong with being against the ANC.

The ANC may have the freedom charter, and Mandela, and history, but it makes a pig's ear out of just about everything it does ... except lying to its own voters - it's very good at doing that!

Yup, as I have stated previously, liberation organisations make lousy political parties.

Like their claims that it's important for the ANC to get "even stronger" so that it can "put its policies in place". To listen to the ANC, no political party is capable of running a country unless it gets 100% of the vote.

What rubbish.

I agree, its against all principles of democracy. 1 party states DO NOT WORK. A strong opposition (coalition or not) is required to keep the majority party in line.

The DA isn't all wonderful, but it won't bring back pass laws, or discrimination, or apartheid. It won't turn its back on the poor because it rightly understands that poor people are more likely to turn to crime. It won't do away with AA or BEE until the time comes, and it will make sure they aren't abused.

This mentality is what the ANC thrives on; and all it is is pure fear. White people voluntarily gave up Apartheid because they viewed it as an evil system, as such they will never return to the past. Shame on the ANC for playing this card!

I can think of reasons not to vote for the ACDP (religious maniacs), FF+ (parochial maniacs), COPE (more of the same) or the ID (Patricia, just join forces with Helen already...) but I can't think of a reason not to vote DA.

And the only reasons I hear from ANC members about why I shouldn't vote DA all boil down to the fact that Helen Zille is white, and therefore she must want apartheid back.

Furthermore, the only reasons I hear for voting ANC are "Viva ANC, Viva!", "Mshini Wam!", and of course, "Four legs good, two legs bad!"

Stuff manifestoes - if the DA wants to start winning elections they should be handing out copies of Animal Farm in the townships.

Unfortunately, given the history that many township people had to live through (and are still living through) they'd probably prefer to be a sheep than to be treated like a dog...

Africa's unfortunate past seems to see most countries becoming their own worst enemy. How can you believe you're free when you're under constant threat of civil war, how is that better? South Africa is one of the last liberated African countries, and we have an opportunity here not to repeat the mistakes of the rest of the continent. Unfortunately power corrupts.

 

[semiautomatix]

"Same can be said for DA, IFP, COPE." i mentioned ANC as that is what the thread was about however, i did make sure to mention that the same can be said for the political party voters of the others. SO please read my comment in its entirity before singling out statements. As a whole voters are ignorant.

For the most part, yes. And its a dangerous thing.

 

[semiautomatix]

+100
all animals are equal some just more than others.....

I'm just waiting for someone in Parliament to refer to the ANC as Orwellian Pigs: "Eish, you can not call me a pig! First the Freedom Front refers to us as monkeys [Mizaru, Mikazaru, and Mazaru]; now you call us pigs!"
"Er, Madam speaker its a reference to communism in the book Animal Farm."
"This is not an Animal Farm. Get out!"

Sheesh, get an education.

 

[JustAsk]

The vote is actually against corruption, against crime, against laziness, against dictatorships, against tyranical leaders, against discrimination, against racism, against monopoly, against nepotism, against the elite..

They should've vote for all these things wayyyy before '94.If these voters really was so concern about all these bad things,why didn't they vote against it,after all,they we the only voters.

The ANC voter base is not voting FOR the ANC, they are voting FOR free sht which will be their ruin because its not sustainable, its a quick fix that wins elections by swaying the poor majority, with long standing consequences. They are taking a bribe. When it crashes, its going to crash hard. You will never be able to vote them out of power. The AU will see to that.

That's the problem with many of you lot.You desperately wants to believe that.The cherry picked news about vote for food,vote for free sht.You need cherry picked news to support these arguments.Open your eyes,you can take away the poor masses and the Anc still wins.Your DA didn't even win the majority in CT,they had to go scrap some parties together to organise their democracy.

 

[killadoob]

Yes i agree with just i must say about the top part, it does seem kinda crazy that the same people who voted for white bad government won't vote for the anc, for that part i fully agree but at the end of the day that old generation is slowly dying off and the new smarter generation is coming along.

The ANC though is bad and in all honesty majority of black people are no better off, you have a minority of blacks who have made it big but the majority still live in poverty.

This Black government is doing F-all to help the majority of the black population, the problem is quite simply the ANC came to power and basically freed the black population and there will never be anyone who will touch them because of this even if they run the country into the ground those black people will still vote for them.

zim 2.0 at the end of the day

 

[JustAsk]

JustAsk i'm askin how old are you.

now you wonder why i will not vote ANC. I asked a question and to avoid the answer you throw some BS my way, you practice your politics well done

I do not wonder why you won't vote Anc,quite frankly,i really don't give a hoot.

You brag about your age,so do not be vain and tell us how old you are.

Brag? please.

Some free advice:
In any discussion,you only talk for yourself...is there any need to call for support with your "us".

Oh,and you don't ask my age...that was only a bad labeling attempt.

 

[Sackboy]

How a person votes can be a very personal matter. If I were a pensioner, I would vote for the party that promised an increase, because existing on a meagre payment is critical. If your local council is not performing and they happen to be DA, then that could also be a valid reason. People don't always vote for what their neighbours want.

 

[JustAsk]

There's nothing wrong with being against the ANC.

Absolutely true,i fully agree with you.

Now can i ask you for an honest answer...Is there anything wrong with being for the Anc?

 

[JustAsk]

My answer was a direct reply to a post I highlighted (namely yours), so please explain how your struggle logic applies here?

No it wasn't.

My struggle logic? Meaning i was there in the heat,in jail.I was on many Anc rallies and secret gatherings.I was in a position to know what i said.I was talking from experience,not just from behind a keyboard.I hope that's clear enough.

Woop! Someone in denial about the Arms Deal, you must be an ANC supporter.

See what i mean? This thread wasn't about that.
About the Anc supporter remark.Mila already tried the age one,is this where you try the affiliation labeling tactic?

 

[semiautomatix]

No it wasn't.

My struggle logic? Meaning i was there in the heat,in jail.I was on many Anc rallies and secret gatherings.I was in a position to know what i said.I was talking from experience,not just from behind a keyboard.I hope that's clear enough.

Always the victim, which is what you're making yourself out to be. So tell me: is breaking stories about slain activists to the media at large, protesting at rallies and being arrested and detained under the Communist Act and various other acts make it all okay, then?

As for sitting behind a keyboard: most of us are too young to have participated or even remember Apartheid. Your little comments make you think you are above everyone else, yet you immature posts would indicated you are anything but - dude, get over yourself.

See what i mean? This thread wasn't about that.
About the Anc supporter remark.Mila already tried the age one,is this where you try the affiliation labeling tactic?

My reference was that the ANC has sold out the Freedom Charter for money but you are too blinded to realise this isn't the same ANC of the pre-1990s; it is a bunch of freedom fighters turned criminal in many cases. The ANC as you knew it is gone, you just need to see it.

 

[Serqet]

This thread started out about an article that an ANC voter wrote about why he can't seem to find a reason to vote ANC.

So with that said, i'm interested to pose a question to Justask and no i'm not trying to be insulting, i am generally interested in what you have to say. Why should the man that wrote the article or even Joe Soap vote ANC?

I was all for ANC coming into power in 1994 with Mandela at the helm. I truely admire and love the man for everything he stood for, fought for, sacrificed and suffered. I would have gladly voted ANC back in 1994. I wasn't old enough to vote yet.

Today's ANC is a shadow of its former self in my honest opinion. I cannot see the same bright future now that seemed to lay ahead for all South Africans in 1994. What has happened? What has gone wrong? Who is to blame? Surely the onlly people we can blame is the people who are in government. Now with that said let's look at Zuma? Is he a good leader? Is he worthy of being president of this country? Can he make a change?

If the answers to the above questions are all yes and we have some sort of evidence to back this up i will gladly vote ANC. My personal opinion Zuma makes me nervous. Not because he is black, but because i'm worried he is consumed by the object of power and nothing else. And that is what worries me about voting for ANC.

 

[Serqet]

How a person votes can be a very personal matter. If I were a pensioner, I would vote for the party that promised an increase, because existing on a meagre payment is critical. If your local council is not performing and they happen to be DA, then that could also be a valid reason. People don't always vote for what their neighbours want.

Indeed it's a very personal thing. And it's not ever something we can all agree on. Politics is like that of religion. It's all about choice at the end of the day. I respect a person's right to their own opinion as should we all. Not always that cut and dry unfortunatelly though. But it is the way it should be.

 

[grayston]

Absolutely true,i fully agree with you.

Now can i ask you for an honest answer...Is there anything wrong with being for the Anc?

There isn't. I support the ANC in principle on many points. I just have no confidence in the ANC's ability - or desire - to follow through on anything it says.

The constant attacks on both internal dissent and external criticism reveal a party that is running scared and unable to defend its own actions.

Their habit of telling people that their grievances are unfounded without even bothering to investigate them irritates me a lot. (The ANC slogan isn't "Together we can do more", it's: "There is no crisis!")

They no longer have even the slightest interest in reconciliation. You're either with them or against them. And if you're against them, then you're a cockroach or a racist or a combination of the two.

They think they're always right. They are incapable of even entertaining the notion that they may be wrong. They refuse to even discuss the matter.

Everything happens under a veil of secrecy. Every time someone publicly blows a whistle on the ANC, the ANC complains that that person shouldn't have gone to the media first -- as if letting people know what is happening to their tax money is some kind of thoughtcrime. And if someone does raise an issue with the ANC, they get into all sorts of trouble (remember the deputy health minister?) or they get flatly ignored. And if they cave in and go to the media, the ANC dismisses them as having a personal agenda - demonstrated, of course, by making the information public.

There's more of course, but to be honest, I tend to skim criticisms of the DA and I'm pretty sure you just skim criticism of the ANC too.

Anyway. There's nothing wrong with supporting the ANC and the things it stands for. But the people in the ANC place their own interests above those of everyone else, and that is not a good thing for government.

Support the ANC by all means.

Just don't vote for them until they've sorted themselves out.

 

[JustAsk]

Always the victim, which is what you're making yourself out to be. So tell me: is breaking stories about slain activists to the media at large, protesting at rallies and being arrested and detained under the Communist Act and various other acts make it all okay, then?

You just can't stay on topic.I 'm not gonna go in circles here trying to explain obvious things to you.Go back to where the struggle word was and read again.

As for sitting behind a keyboard: most of us are too young to have participated or even remember Apartheid.

Yet many of you generalise and make statements as if you were there.

Your little comments make you think you are above everyone else, yet you immature posts would indicated you are anything but - dude, get over yourself.

And as always we have to resort to silly little insults.

My reference was that the ANC has sold out the Freedom Charter for money but you are too blinded to realise this isn't the same ANC of the pre-1990s; it is a bunch of freedom fighters turned criminal in many cases. The ANC as you knew it is gone, you just need to see it.

Again,i'm not gonna repeat myself.Read that quote about the Freedom Charter again

 

[semiautomatix]

You just can't stay on topic.I 'm not gonna go in circles here trying to explain obvious things to you.Go back to where the struggle word was and read again.

You brought up the Freedom Charter, I merely stated that they had sold out those ideals. You clearly are unwilling to even consider this possibility, if so, then please refrain from using any references to the Charter in future posts.

Yet many of you generalise and make statements as if you were there.

Yes, I agree, the ENTIRE ANC Youth League would fit that category. Thanks for pointing it out.

And as always we have to resort to silly little insults.

When you start making comments such as:

You will find that the average DA voter don't know sh1te about their party

then perhaps I am justified in calling your arguments juvenile and immature; this is clearly the debate of someone who has no intention of actually considering the matter under discussion but wants to win by shouting loudest.

Again,i'm not gonna repeat myself.Read that quote about the Freedom Charter again

Apparently, according to you, make any claims against the Freedom Charter is now going off topic. So, I trust we will no longer make any references to is since you feel you cannot debate such a topic and that the Freedom Charter is off topic.