Why the confusion in lighting technologies?

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So when we bought the Kia Picanto I thought it was very odd that they would fit LED's to mostly everything but then suddenly stop when it came to the rear indicator lights that have normal bulbs instead.

I started looking around and observing and to my shock it turns out most cars do this where they'll have LED Running Lights at the back but if you look closely the brake lights, indicators and reverse lights are all old school bulb based often just in a fancy projector housing to make it look like an LED cluster.

Audi seems to be the exception in this regard but last night I spotted this on a brand new BMW X1, this morning on a few new 3-series and coming to work a brand new Hyundai Tucson Turbo N has a thin little running light strip in LED at the top with everything else being massive bulbs all over the place.

We've had the centre rear-mounted brake lights in LED strips for many years now which is a further oddity to this behaviour.

So my question is WHY? Surely it makes more sense to build the entire light cluster as a sealed unit using LEDs that will never need servicing? Outside of maybe the reverse light these aren't projector LED's that need to cast light and only need to be seen from afar so it's not a cost thing either.

And it doesn't seem to be a case of selling an upspecced version to a discerning buyer if this is the norm for top end models?

We've had LED's all round (outside of headlights) on bikes for the past 10 years easily so I wonder why is the car market so far behind? There must be some engineering logic or something here that I'm missing.
 
I've noticed this too. It can't be cost, as I've seen the cheap Kia Rio with LED brake lights, but a Mercedes GLC with incandescents.

Also the VW Jetta 5 (released in 2005) had full LED tail lights and indicators, then with the Jetta 6 they went back to old school incandescents.

The same with the BMW 3 Series E90 facelift. It had LED indicators front and rear, but then went back to incandescents with the F30.

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I think a big part of it is model differentiation & lifecycle upgrades.

Eg. When the F30 first came out it had "old school" bulbs. With the LCI (facelift) it moved up to LED units.

More a case of the marketing folks & to a lesser extent the beancounters having the final say of what what.
 
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I've noticed this too. It can't be cost, as I've seen the cheap Kia Rio with LED brake lights, but a Mercedes GLC with incandescents.

Also the VW Jetta 5 (released in 2005) had full LED tail lights and indicators, then with the Jetta 6 they went back to old school incandescents.

The same with the BMW 3 Series E90 facelift. It had LED indicators front and rear, but then went back to incandescents with the F30.

Also noticed this
My Golf 7 GTI had full LED on the tail lights and even the front fogs were LED but the headlights were Xenon however the indicator in the headlight cluster was a normal bulb.

I have also noticed a few of the older generation Audi A4s on the road with a few LED out in the clusters ( brake lights ) it does look a bit strange when that happens.

I know with the BMW there were issues with the light clusters failing and that would result in the motorist have to buy a complete tail light. which meant higher cost.
 
I tend to agree that it's a marketing ploy. It gives the manufacturer something to upgrade to to make a refreshed model more appealing.
LCI F30 3 series come with full LED's front and back while pre-LCI didnt, even thought the previous model, the LCI E90 had LEDs. You'd have thought the newer model would have them as standard.
In fact I think it's pretty cheeky of premium brands to not have LED as standard on all their models with xenons being the minimum for headlights.
I think with improvements in tech and reduction in manufacturing costs and changes in legislation, LED lights will be more and common as standard features.
Laser lights being the next thing in lighting awesomeness... on your R8 or i8 :)
 
I have also noticed a few of the older generation Audi A4s on the road with a few LED out in the clusters ( brake lights ) it does look a bit strange when that happens.

I've seen so many Audi A4 B8's with dud LED's. Must have been a common problem on this model.

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I think a big part of it is model differentiation & lifecycle upgrades.

Eg. When the F30 first came out it had "old school" bulbs. With the LCI (facelift) it moved up to LED units.

More a case of the marketing folks & to a lesser extent the beancounters having the final say of what what.

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I've seen so many Audi A4 B8's with dud LED's. Must have been a common problem on this model.

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I guess the only way to fix that is replace the whole tail light, as its a non serviceable part. Also AUDI is gonna sell you the whole tail light not just the one piece ( it is a two piece tail light) BMW used to do that to its clients sell them a full tail light and it was not cheap.
 
I guess the only way to fix that is replace the whole tail light, as its a non serviceable part. Also AUDI is gonna sell you the whole tail light not just the one piece ( it is a two piece tail light) BMW used to do that to its clients sell them a full tail light and it was not cheap.

Yip, the LED's are surface mount which is incredibly difficult to repair, also the LED clusters are not designed to be repaired.
 
I've noticed this too. It can't be cost, as I've seen the cheap Kia Rio with LED brake lights, but a Mercedes GLC with incandescents.

But even in that case you'll see the indicators at the rear are bulbs. So why stop there exactly?

What's funny on the Kia is that the mirrors are LED lights and I'm pretty sure the front indicators as well...but not the rear.



The same with the BMW 3 Series E90 facelift. It had LED indicators front and rear, but then went back to incandescents with the F30.
 
I think a big part of it is model differentiation & lifecycle upgrades.

Eg. When the F30 first came out it had "old school" bulbs. With the LCI (facelift) it moved up to LED units.

More a case of the marketing folks & to a lesser extent the beancounters having the final say of what what.

That was my first assumption as well, but that would have only made sense to me if it was all bulbs and all LED.

But to make some of it LED and the rest use bulbs must cost more money overall, so it just doesn't seem sensible.
 
But that's kind of a benefit of LED. One bulb dies but the rest keep on working and so it's not a failure.

Bulb dies...whole light it dead.

There's nothing that will grate my OCD than having LED bulbs out. I see the newer Audi's don't suffer from this problem though.
 
That was my first assumption as well, but that would have only made sense to me if it was all bulbs and all LED.

But to make some of it LED and the rest use bulbs must cost more money overall, so it just doesn't seem sensible.

My 2015 fiesta with titanium package has LED strips within the headlight and LED under the side mirrors everything else is normal bulbs ........ wait I think there are 2 orange ones on the inside on the roof that shine onto the gear level.
 
There's nothing that will grate my OCD than having LED bulbs out. I see the newer Audi's don't suffer from this problem though.

Newer ones will still be under motorplan and will get fixed for free. So it might still happen with them also :P
 
Newer ones will still be under motorplan and will get fixed for free. So it might still happen with them also :P

I wonder if the warranty will cover tha?t - motorplan/maintenance plan will definitely if you have that option or if you have extended it.
 
Or would they pass it as wear and tear and not cover it?
 
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