Interesting article: http://www.pyramidresearch.com/points/item/110509.htm?sc=PP051011_SMRT
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Why Windows Phone will beat Android
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demon angel
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I don't hate the Windows phone, but the way Android is steamrolling ahead i fear its a matter of too little too late unless they could get gaming on a phone the way Windows dominates PC gaming.
mercurial
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You must be bevonk if you believe that.
LOL! Maybe I am.
Two years ago I would not have believed anyone then telling me that Android would be as strong as it is today. I think there is merit in believing that Microsoft and Nokia can achieve the same feat.
Elimentals
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As much as I hate PlayStation, dont forget that the PlayStation suite for Android been opened for other developers. They all waiting to see what the Sony Ericson Xperia Play does in the market. If it does well you can expect a big influx of PlayStation like phones and services.
Welll Microsoft will need to be pretty special if they want to get this right. But "owning" Nokia now as hardware partner, owning Skype and with Xbox they might just pull it off. One thing that is lacking (also from Apple's side) is their reach into Asia as well as Africa. Interesting times ahead.
It's this kind of mentality that kills technology.
You do realize it's completely different to Windows Mobile right?
Doesn't matter. Once burnt, twice shy. A matter of principle (something that existed before Facebook
)My mentality is not that far out if you think about it. Imagine a PC desktop scenario but with a Google Inc OS competitor to MS. If there had been a more stable, just as user-friendly competing Google Inc OS during the time of Win 3.1 / 95 / 98 First Edition / Millenium, would as many users still have kept on trying version after version of Windows? Would they?
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Elimentals
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Doesn't matter. Once burnt, twice shy. A matter of principle (something that existed before Facebook
My mentality is not that far out if you think about it. Imagine a PC desktop scenario but with a Google Inc OS competitor to MS. If there had been a more stable, just as user-friendly competing Google Inc OS during the time of Win 3.1 / 95 / 98 First Edition / Millenium, would as many users still have kept on trying version after version of Windows? Would they?
Yes they would, you forgot the reason windows is still popular, its called M$ tax. You can not buy a PC without windows unless you put it together yourself and if you get a co that sells PC's with other OS's they only carry limited stock.
From an OEM perspective if you sell more than 80% of your PC's without Windows you lose the special pricing and can not compete anymore not to mention a visit from the BSA.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft#Licensing_agreements
The only way Microsoft can do business is with Bully tactics and never out compete other products on merit/price alone. This is also the reason M$ been gathering IP at an alarming rate, to sue Android manufacturers as they already done with Motorola and also struck a deal with HTC... IE: to give Android a price. Expect more lawsuits incoming after Skype purchase.
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I don't dispute any crooked agreements which may or may not exist
Eg. Those agreements may not have been so easily negotiated with a strong competitor in place. Yada, yada. Nevertheless, within the context of my defence of not going back to any MS mobile OS:Windows Mobile 6.0 was crap. I never received a trial version. I never had an opportunity to test drive it first. So I was stuck with it until my next upgrade. Why would I take that chance again with any Windows mobile OS when there is a perfectly good alternative available?
Elimentals
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I don't dispute any crooked agreements which may or may not exist
Windows Mobile 6.0 was crap. I never received a trial version. I never had an opportunity to test drive it first. So I was stuck with it until my next upgrade. Why would I take that chance again with any Windows mobile OS when there is a perfectly good alternative available?
I totally understand you being burned with Windows Mobile 6 As a Android fanboy I can say even with Windows Phone 7 being built on Win CE 7 it is a hell of allot better than mobile was in speed. I have other reasons for not using it.
Same lock-down as iOS in the fact that you dont get a single filesystem that apps can share
No side loading for installs even Homebrew. If you develop an app you have to join the Mobile network to be able to test it on your own phone.
Once a SD card is used within a phone you can kiss it goodby, you can not swap them out or ever use that SD on another device again.
Single market place with annual license fees to sell applications.
Allot of functionality that Android provide as part of the OS you have to buy apps on the marketplace from 3rd party developers. (Simple file lockers and wifi file sharing to name but 2)
and dont get me started on that Metro GUI, it drives me up the wall with text that runs off the screen, It feels like some idiot developer used the wrong font sizes. with the 8 bit home screen.
I can go on and on but I think I made my point
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@Elimentals So do you not use Windows?
Personally, if Linux came on every PC by default I would still buy Windows without hesitation. Alot of other people would too.
You forget that the large majority of people that don't realize there are options besides Windows, are the same majority which would not know how to use Linux - or need to.
Each to his own though, I can't stand the UI of Android (seems very dated), or how sluggish it feels on some devices.
Personally, if Linux came on every PC by default I would still buy Windows without hesitation. Alot of other people would too.
You forget that the large majority of people that don't realize there are options besides Windows, are the same majority which would not know how to use Linux - or need to.
Each to his own though, I can't stand the UI of Android (seems very dated), or how sluggish it feels on some devices.
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It's for that very reason that Windows will not overtake Android on phones.
Elimentals
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Yes I have Windows for dual boot, but only because I love games and most games only come to M$ again problem caused by Microsoft Tax.
Funny that exactly how I feel about Windows.
Judging Microsoft's new direction based on their old ways would be foolish. Whatever tactics used to own the market, don't think the other boys (Apple & Google) are different. Business is business.
There are thousands and thousands of people working at Microsoft. Yeah, even guys like you and me who just want a device that works nicely. So don't judge them according to one stereotype view.
If you haven't used a Windows Phone 7, don't bash it because you don't know what you are talking about. Just as I can't bash the iPhone without at least using it for a week. Actually I just bash iPhone people, because I have been dealing with them for years and they are annoying: Android users are getting close to that. Do you know why? Because all they go on about are the "possibilities, the future". What about now? Do you know that your phone's support lifetime is about 6 months, before a new version is already getting ready to come out. So why the hell buy a phone on possibilities? What can it do for you NOW?
Just because some geeks don't like Microsoft, it doesn't mean the REST OF THE COMMON FOLK will not go ahead and buy it. The same people laughed when MS launched the XBOX. They will never compete with the mighty Playstation. Well, how does that look now?
You can't modify your Windows Phone 7? Touchxperience.com/
Critics have already pointed out the problem with Android and that is the fact the their market would be splintered between all the different versions, not just the ones that Google produce, but also the modifications that Motorola, Samsung, etc. produce.
If I offended anyone, don't take it personally. I am sure you are all wonderful people. It just sometimes drive me up the wall when people are shortsighted. Understand one thing. Not MS, not Google, not Apple are there for you. They are there for themselves. They are businesses. Don't believe the fantasy BS about "we are just making sure you only get quality apps" or "our software is free" or "Our network is secure". Go and try the phone yourself. See if it integrates well with your needs in life and respect that you have chosen the phone because of that, not because it is better but because it satisfy YOUR NEEDS in life.
There are thousands and thousands of people working at Microsoft. Yeah, even guys like you and me who just want a device that works nicely. So don't judge them according to one stereotype view.
If you haven't used a Windows Phone 7, don't bash it because you don't know what you are talking about. Just as I can't bash the iPhone without at least using it for a week. Actually I just bash iPhone people, because I have been dealing with them for years and they are annoying: Android users are getting close to that. Do you know why? Because all they go on about are the "possibilities, the future". What about now? Do you know that your phone's support lifetime is about 6 months, before a new version is already getting ready to come out. So why the hell buy a phone on possibilities? What can it do for you NOW?
Just because some geeks don't like Microsoft, it doesn't mean the REST OF THE COMMON FOLK will not go ahead and buy it. The same people laughed when MS launched the XBOX. They will never compete with the mighty Playstation. Well, how does that look now?
You can't modify your Windows Phone 7? Touchxperience.com/
Critics have already pointed out the problem with Android and that is the fact the their market would be splintered between all the different versions, not just the ones that Google produce, but also the modifications that Motorola, Samsung, etc. produce.
If I offended anyone, don't take it personally. I am sure you are all wonderful people. It just sometimes drive me up the wall when people are shortsighted. Understand one thing. Not MS, not Google, not Apple are there for you. They are there for themselves. They are businesses. Don't believe the fantasy BS about "we are just making sure you only get quality apps" or "our software is free" or "Our network is secure". Go and try the phone yourself. See if it integrates well with your needs in life and respect that you have chosen the phone because of that, not because it is better but because it satisfy YOUR NEEDS in life.