Why Windows Phone will beat Android

Diabolus, I agree, for me the apps is also critical. The apps is what brings value to owning the device. I'm sure Microsoft will bring the apps to the good Nokia hardware.
 
BeVonk! said:
I'm currently reading "Search & Destroy" by Scott Cleland. This book drives a few nails through any chances of me ever getting an Android device.
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Only concern I have about Google's information is when some government takes over the company. On the other side of the coin its actully scary how much info we give to any company we go with, from M$ to Apple to Android.... the more you use the once services the more they know about you.
 
Diabolus, that is less than you will pay in SA. On Kindle you'll have it in minutes. Worth it. It balances out the pro Google books and it is a must read imo. Gov and INDIVIDUALS or ORGANISATIONS can do much evil with all the power Google has (knowledge is power). Who knows who will control Google in years to come? Google is the true pandora's box. The Jews were effectively persecuted and processed by Hitler because IBM made it possible. Google offers so much more.
 
BeVonk! said:
Diabolus, that is less than you will pay in SA. On Kindle you'll have it in minutes. Worth it. It balances out the pro Google books and it is a must read imo. Gov and INDIVIDUALS or ORGANISATIONS can do much evil with all the power Google has (knowledge is power). Who knows who will control Google in years to come? Google is the true pandora's box. The Jews were effectively persecuted and processed by Hitler because IBM made it possible. Google offers so much more.
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Well i was actually refering to the fact that standard kindle prices are $5-$12 , whereas this book is $17 and the physical book is like $30. I've wishlisted it, i'll get it when the price drops to standard pricing. Looks interesting though.
 
Elimentals, the difference between Google and others like Apple is the immense wealth of personal information Google already posseses. Android devices are mobile extensions of this mighty Total Information Awareness monster. It sucks up information like roving vacuum cleaners. Problem is Google is not transparent but wants to make everyone else so.
 
BeVonk! said:
this mighty Total Information Awareness monster.
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Google knows all!
:p
 
Elimentals said:
I think one of the facets about mobile computing that is still overlooked but will play a major part in peoples selection on buying or upgrading to other devices.

Its application portfolio's and I am not talking about what store has to most apps, rather what apps the person has already bought. In both iPhone and Android markets people are starting to build up investments in applications as they tend to be available for the life of the market. The more you have on a platform the harder it will be to swap to another. If a customer bought R1000's of applications on say iOS or Android switching to the other would mean that you just wasted that money and will have to start afresh building up a new portfolio of applications.

This is where the problem comes in with Microsoft's late entrance to the market, as many users already started building up investments in other markets. Sure WP7 might be a great product but it has more than just speed and snappy UI or functionality to deal with. In other words the longer it takes to get into the market the harder it is going to be to fight the others for market share.
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Excellent post.

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, I worked for Sun Air... Part of setting up and running of their frequent flyer program... We all figured 'cos its service was excellent, airline of the year, year after year, people would jump from Voyager. The reality was that, 'cos we only flew Jhb, Cape Town and Durban most Voyager members who took just one flight a year to Bloem or PE simply stuck with SAA, crappy service or not.
Elimentals, I think you have that one... I'm sitting on 15 gigs of apps for my phone... never changing... ever.
 
the benefit of ms coming so late is that they can avoid the problems that other platforms have ended up with - ios with draconian appstore heavy-handedness and bandwidth usage, android with updates and fragmentation etc.
they can also position themselves in the niche with the best opportunity for profit.

it seems however that they've targetting an already overcrowded smartphone niche.
the one thing they do have going for them is their gaming ecosystem and their c# developers wanting to get into the mobile market.
the thing they don't have going for them is a lack of a tablet solution.
as others have said, software that works across ios devices ultimately ties you into the platform.
without an optimised tablet os, it's going to be slow going initially imo. 2011 is the year of the tablet, not the smartphone.
and that tablet purchase ties you in to the platform for two years.

while they may be able to overtake ios from a volume point of view, i doubt they will make an impact in terms of profitability.
apple sells the os and the hardware and makes a very nice profit.
wp7 will need to be very competitive on hardware pricing and i'm not sure that nokia is wanting to drop their margins to compete with asian manufacturers.
 
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murraybiscuit said:
the benefit of ms coming so late is that they can avoid the problems that other platforms have ended up with - ios with draconian appstore heavy-handedness and bandwidth usage, android with updates and fragmentation etc.
they can also position themselves in the niche with the best opportunity for profit.

it seems however that they've targetting an already overcrowded smartphone niche.
the one thing they do have going for them is their gaming ecosystem and their c# developers wanting to get into the mobile market.
the thing they don't have going for them is a lack of a tablet solution.
as others have said, software that works across ios devices ultimately ties you into the platform.
without an optimised tablet os, it's going to be slow going initially imo. 2011 is the year of the tablet, not the smartphone.
and that tablet purchase ties you in to the platform for two years.

while they may be able to overtake ios from a volume point of view, i doubt they will make an impact in terms of profitability.
apple sells the os and the hardware and makes a very nice profit.
wp7 will need to be very competitive on hardware pricing and i'm not sure that nokia is wanting to drop their margins to compete with asian manufacturers.
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I agree with your 1st line but....

I would say they should leave the games alone, actually target more the Business users. They are in a unique place to do this. Just be more secure than the others, more focused on business use with SharePoint and Exchange link into office environment like a glove. The "Killer" app for them should be a tool that links to Active Directories that you can manage the phone next to a users account details.

In other words become a true business tool. They dont have to dump the games to do this, they can still have that but seriously there add campaign has it almost right.... "Windows Phone 7 a device for the true Professionals.... not a kids toy."

My experience in large corporations from Siemens to IBM tells me Companies would sooo jump at it.

All you need to do is Engineer the Business mind, many people WILL follow.
 
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Elimentals, that is why MS is getting closer to RIM, I beleive. RIM has the missing bits MS need to "own" the business market.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if MS is planning to take over RIM (hostile or playing nice).
 
I can already see the full qwerty hardware keyboard plus touchscreen smartphone with WP as OS made by Nokia running on BIS/BES.
 
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Examples of what they should have done

Your Contacts syncs to your Companies Exchange Contacts linked to your AD account so if you add a contact on your phone its immediately on your outlook, no need to plug in. Android does this with Gmail and Android contacts(if a contact is entered as private on the phone this sync should not happen)

The companies IT can roll out applications from the server to all the phones registered in that server similar to what you can do to PC's and should be able to do this over the air. (You should still be able to install market apps like games but wont be restored from Company server on a new phone)

When you insert your sim card into a new phone and log in using your AD credentials it should sync back all your contacts and applications.

System Administrator should be able to remote wipe the phone doesn't matter where it is or what sim is on it.

I can give plenty more but you get the idea...
 
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