Why your data is really disappearing

Lord Farquart said:
Most news sites wait for other people to call their BS. MyBB must be the only one where they call their own BS.:unsure: I can link you to at least one article, written by yourself, where you proved data is disappearing.

Sometimes not flogging a dead horse article is the better option.
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MTN were charging for a network event they shouldn't have on LTE connections (and it wasn't lots and lots of data), that was fixed by MTN and further tests revealed it has stopped happening. It wasn't happening on the other 3 providers tested.

So they have proven data on MTN has stopped disappearing, and never even happened on the other 3. So where is the BS?
 
Swa said:
Routers count the bytes. If it doesn't give you an accurate reading there's something wrong with it. Networks estimate your usage by what you download and then apply a formula. Cell C charges for only about 95%. Vodacom is more accurate like 98-99% but there's been times they overestimate it as well.
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"Networks" also count the bytes. There is no estimation.
 
supersunbird said:
MTN were charging for a network event they shouldn't have on LTE connections (and it wasn't lots and lots of data), that was fixed by MTN and further tests revealed it has stopped happening. It wasn't happening on the other 3 providers tested.

So they have proven data on MTN has stopped disappearing, and never even happened on the other 3. So where is the BS?
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Headline says data is disappearing, then I quoted him where he says it is not disappearing. And I can link to articles where he proved it was disappearing. So which is it? It can only be the one or the other.
 
Lord Farquart said:
Headline says data is disappearing, then I quoted him where he says it is not disappearing. And I can link to articles where he proved it was disappearing. So which is it? It can only be the one or the other.
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It's not disappearing to nowhere, that's where the "really" in the headline matters, it's actually being used by the customer. Link us to that article and we will see it WAS only MTN. So his statement is not BS anyway for the other networks.
 
Swa said:
So why is there never an accurate count?
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There is. The count in the network.

Your question is probably "Why will an app counting on the device not align to the network count?"

It's a function of where the different systems count in the stack.
 
jannievanzyl said:
There is. The count in the network.

Your question is probably "Why will an app counting on the device not align to the network count?"

It's a function of where the different systems count in the stack.
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As much as he spins, Jannie is right this time. Networks have detailed and accurate usage and time logs for all packets entering/exiting the network.
 
jannievanzyl said:
There is. The count in the network.

Your question is probably "Why will an app counting on the device not align to the network count?"

It's a function of where the different systems count in the stack.
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You makes no sense. The network count is always different from the actual count. If it was 100% accurate why is there then a formula applied to reduce usage?
 
Swa said:
You makes no sense. The network count is always different from the actual count. If it was 100% accurate why is there then a formula applied to reduce usage?
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There are no formulas applied anywhere. And Jannie stated that above.
 
Swa said:
You makes no sense. The network count is always different from the actual count. If it was 100% accurate why is there then a formula applied to reduce usage?
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There are no formulas applied.

Can you please explain where you get that from?
 
jannievanzyl said:
There are no formulas applied.

Can you please explain where you get that from?
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The simple fact that not everything "measured" is charged for. Some networks more than others. So are you saying it's not counted or there is a formula? It can't be both ways as then there would be an accurate count.
 
Swa said:
The simple fact that not everything "measured" is charged for. Some networks more than others. So are you saying it's not counted or there is a formula? It can't be both ways as then there would be an accurate count.
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No,

Everything is counted. Always.

Then billing rules are applied as some data is zero-rated.

So there is no 'formula' per se'.
 
jannievanzyl said:
No,

Everything is counted. Always.

Then billing rules are applied as some data is zero-rated.

So there is no 'formula' per se'.
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It's not the zero rating. I would measure my data daily and it would always differ what I'm charged without visiting zero rated sites (aka Vodacom, now Cell C).
 
Swa said:
So why is there never an accurate count?
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There can be rounding up to nearest unit, but I don’t think anyone uses (or is allowed to) that any more.

But it’s never an estimation.

There is “real usage” and “billed usage” to cut out complexity.

Much like in the old days it was per minute and klaar, now it’s per second.

Data units will probably change with 5G otherwise we’ll have so much CDR data coming out of our ears it would become a nightmare.
 
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Swa said:
It's not the zero rating. I would measure my data daily and it would always differ what I'm charged without visiting zero rated sites (aka Vodacom, now Cell C).
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The data usage you measure on your end wouldn’t be accurate for the lack of network overhead that applies which isn’t visible to you.

Also the “formula” you are thinking of is probably along the lines of the minimum increment at which a call record is cut.

There however is still no loss and everything gets charged for that should be charged for.
 
Swa said:
Routers count the bytes. If it doesn't give you an accurate reading there's something wrong with it. Networks estimate your usage by what you download and then apply a formula. Cell C charges for only about 95%. Vodacom is more accurate like 98-99% but there's been times they overestimate it as well.
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You do realise the networks are made of essentially routers that count bytes right?

Only much bigger and better ones worth millions of rands compared to your consumer device that only sits on your side of the connection and therefore can’t possibly measure overall usage accurately.

More than likely the very means by which you are measuring is in fact exactly what adds the extra data you think you are using that they are charging you for, because unless setup correctly your monitoring will have a data cost.
 
Swa said:
It's not the zero rating. I would measure my data daily and it would always differ what I'm charged without visiting zero rated sites (aka Vodacom, now Cell C).
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What are you using to measure your data usage?
 
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