Will the Left survive the Millenials?

Does it make a difference at this point? If people don't think you need to base opinion in any sort of fact then having a debate is pointless.

I can't prove to a blind person the moon exists. That doesn't mean it doesn't.

Here's a long video of some PC gone mad stuff for the people that can see how ridiculous it already has become:

[video=youtube_share;lMl4kIxw-jo]https://youtu.be/lMl4kIxw-jo[/video]
 
Does it make a difference at this point? If people don't think you need to base opinion in any sort of fact then having a debate is pointless.

Having a healthy debate is never pointless, no matter how whacky the other person's opinion is. I'm not saying your point is whacky I'm saying that people are to quick to dismiss opinions because there is no supposed proof. A lot of times people ask for proof of a statement just because they don't agree with that person's statement. It's a weak attempt at forcing their own opinion down on someone else.
 
If the nonsense you are talking can be debunked then yes, it can be proven as nonsense.

Not if he offers no proof or evidence of it it being true. If he did I could then debunk those points, but of course as Newt points out, the right doesn't actually use proof or facts, but rather feelings. As the poster said

"There is nothing extraordinary about pointing out that you can see it for yourself if you merely open your eyes.
Nowhere did I say "because I say so", I said "because it is so obvious even a blind man can see it"."

So obvious he can't provide proof :rolleyes:
 
I can't prove to a blind person the moon exists. That doesn't mean it doesn't.

Hahaha, OK dude. If that's the level of your argument, good luck.


Having a healthy debate is never pointless, no matter how whacky the other person's opinion is. I'm not saying your point is whacky I'm saying that people are to quick to dismiss opinions because there is no supposed proof. A lot of times people ask for proof of a statement just because they don't agree with that person's statement. It's a weak attempt at forcing their own opinion down on someone else.

Or it's an attempt to correct an opinion held by virtue of incorrect facts.
 
Liberalism pretends to be all about equality, yet they've entirely abandoned any notion of freedom in the name of forcing equality upon everyone
That's because the people driving this aren't really liberals in any sense. And yes they don't they don't any interest in either equal opportunity or even literal equality (which would imply so-called majorities having the same rights as minorities). You know people have completely lost their marbles when they're defending the Japanese against cultural appropriation.

Fascism was the same thing: public private partnerships that mutate into a select few controlling the many through corporatism, militarism and cronyism.
Which seems to be both parties in the US.

Becoming far worse. But easy to answer if you want to be harshly honest with yourself. Which has become extremely hard for any liberal. Honesty, that is. Because the liberal vision failed to bear fruit in the effort to raise everybody up to the same level
Actually the goal of equal opportunity, which has become distorted into the idea that everyone should be literally equal in all respects, has born significant fruit.

It seems to me that the major battles for civil rights have been won, so now, like an immune system with no real threat to fight, these movements are inventing enemies. I doubt they even realise how free they are (or were before they started helping to destroy some of those freedoms) and what the world was like even 50 years ago. My mother wasn't even allowed to finish school, but today a girl in a Western country can study whatever she wants and get pretty much any job she desires. Thus those who think that women in Western societies are oppressed have no idea what they're talking about. Whatever battles are left are relatively minor, rather than the big cause an earlier generation sought to tackle. I think it is also an easy way for them to demonstrate their righteousness rather than, for example, getting on a plane and travelling to a place where it is genuinely dangerous to fight for freedoms they take for granted.

You'll see something similar in South Africa. These hooligans' parents fought against real oppression by white people, but in essence that fight is won and over. The problem for them now is that the source of the wrongs of today are not white people, but other black people, however it is much easier to rally around painting white people as the villains.
 
Star Wars Quote

This sum all this debate about "proof" up for me:

Source: Star Wars:

LUKE: Ben! Why didn't you tell me? You told me that Darth Vader betrayed and murdered my father.
OBI-WAN: Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be the Jedi Anakin Skywalker and "became" Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So, what I told you was true... from a certain point of view.
LUKE: A certain point of view?
OBI-WAN: Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
 
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Not if he offers no proof or evidence of it it being true. If he did I could then debunk those points, but of course as Newt points out, the right doesn't actually use proof or facts, but rather feelings. As the poster said

"There is nothing extraordinary about pointing out that you can see it for yourself if you merely open your eyes.
Nowhere did I say "because I say so", I said "because it is so obvious even a blind man can see it"."

So obvious he can't provide proof :rolleyes:

You are referring to something that can be proven, like an equation or that I was born in October or that the earth is round/flat. When you discuss viewpoints of how the millennials are impacting society you can not possibly ask someone to prove it. The liberals will perceive it as X and the conservatives as Y.

Or it's an attempt to correct an opinion held by virtue of incorrect facts.

1+1=2. Fact.
Millennials are a scourge on society. Opinion.
 
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Hahaha, OK dude. If that's the level of your argument, good luck.

You're just simply not understanding the analogy in this argument.

Example, the video I posted has examples of poeple pushing to ban common phrases never intended to offend. It's not even intolerance to intolerance anymore but really premotes feelings over reality. If that is not fascism to you then that is where my analogy comes in.
 
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Millennials are a scourge on society. Opinion.

Yup. And for some reason some of you think it's perfectly normal to base an opinion without the presence of any fact or proof.

Scary.

The moon is made of cheese. Opinion. Brad Pitt was born a woman. Opinion. Shoes were originally made to cover up accidental erections. Opinion.
 
Yup. And for some reason some of you think it's perfectly normal to base an opinion without the presence of any fact or proof.

Scary.

The moon is made of cheese. Opinion. Brad Pitt was born a woman. Opinion. Shoes were originally made to cover up accidental erections. Opinion.

Let's do a small test:

1. What is your opinion of VAT at 14%.
2. Please provide proof of your opinion.
 
Yup. And for some reason some of you think it's perfectly normal to base an opinion without the presence of any fact or proof.

Scary.

The moon is made of cheese. Opinion. Brad Pitt was born a woman. Opinion. Shoes were originally made to cover up accidental erections. Opinion.

20140 posts of embarrassment. :crylaugh:
Randhir get a job!
 
20140 posts of embarrassment. :crylaugh:
Randhir get a job!

I'm sorry to have embarrassed the conservatards for 20k posts.

Actually I'm not. You should be embarrassed.

A since conservatards don't like things like facts: 20k posts in 9+ years = 6 posts/day. Obviously too much for you to handle.
 
Let's do a small test:

1. What is your opinion of VAT at 14%.
2. Please provide proof of your opinion.

No opinion.

Now you go:
What are the opinions you hold that have zero facts behind them?
 
No opinion.

Now you go:
What are the opinions you hold that have zero facts behind them?

1. There is no God.
2. The trade in ivory/rhino horn/drugs should be legalized. It will be better in the long run.
3. Legalize prostitution.
4. Millennials are a scourge on society.
5. Donald Trump will be a bad president.
6. Hillary Clinton will be a bad president.
7. Israeli/Palestine is the cause of strife in the ME.
8. Stock markets are rigged.
9. There are aliens among us.
10. There is a dragon in my garage.

Some of these are my opinions and some of these are not. But that's the beauty of opinions, I can have them and there is sweet f##k all anyone can do about it.
 
The people we now call Social Justice Warriors have (until a very short while ago) completely controlled the science fiction and fantasy publishing industry, and the result was something out of a GamerGater’s fever dream. If you were a new or mid-list author who didn’t espouse the “right” political views, you had no chance of being published. Even Orson Scott Card, quite possibly the most popular sci-fi author alive today and whose Ender’s Game has sat at or near the top of the bestseller lists for over a decade, faced massive boycotts and organized campaigns for his beliefs on gay marriage.

Almost any author who didn’t tow the SJW line was out, and that line moved further and further the more the SJWs consolidated their grip on power. Last January, an editor at Tor, the largest science fiction publishing company, called for a quota where every book must contain at least one transsexual character. This February, SJWs started a campaign telling people not to read any straight, white, and male authors at all.

What happened when the SJWs took over is an abject lesson for the gaming industry: sales of science fiction books utterly tanked. What was once a thriving genre is almost utterly dead.

For the same reason that no one wants to play Depression Quest, no one wants to read boring books that shove fringe values down the readers’ throatS. You can see the top sellers in Science Fiction for 2012 here. Every book on the bestseller list was either five or more years old or a Star Wars/Halo tie-in novel. The lone exception, A Rising Thunder, was actually published by conservative publishing house Baen Books. The top selling book, Ender’s Game, is now over 20 years old. When it came out, Clinton was still in his first term, the biggest game system around was the Super Nintendo, and the world was still astonished at the graphics in the game Myst.

The rot was at its worst in the Hugo and Nebula Awards, the most prestigious awards in the industry. Awards that used to go to titles like Dune, Ringworld, and Neuromancer became the province of titles like The Lady Astronaut of Mars and the execrable If You Were A Dinosaur, My Love. The latter is almost a parody of SJW thought: it’s a short story about a gay paleontologist who gets beaten up by working class whites, whose fiancee (It’s not a hundred percent clear why she’s marrying a gay man) fantasizes about him turning into a dinosaur and killing them. By 2014, books like SJW novel Ancillary Justice (Slate boasts that it “forces the reader to confront gender“) were beating out the likes of Neil Gaiman and Robert Jordan’s Wheel of Time series.

Followers of GamerGate will immediately see the parallels: a self-declared “elite” pushing an agenda on a hostile audience. Heavy promotion of creators that no consumer enjoys, while anyone who doesn’t have the right political beliefs is shunned and ignored. And like Gamergate, there was a backlash.

http://www.reaxxion.com/7182/how-sjws-took-over-science-fiction-and-how-theyre-losing-control
 
Some of these are my opinions and some of these are not.

Right, so what was the point of this then? Did you actually answer my question?


But that's the beauty of opinions, I can have them and there is sweet f##k all anyone can do about it.

Someone asking for a shred of logic behind you having an opinion isn't someone 'trying to do something about it'. My word, conservatives and their paranoia.
 
Right, so what was the point of this then? Did you actually answer my question?




Someone asking for a shred of logic behind you having an opinion isn't someone 'trying to do something about it'. My word, conservatives and their paranoia.

Guy you are the paranoid one.
Text on a forum is not a personal attack!
You have to label anyone that doesn't agree with you as a "conservative" or some other -ism. Let it go, accept the fact that someone wants to do something differently.

You always end up in a rage of multiple posts, attacking everything.
 
Text on a forum is not a personal attack!

Did I say it was? Aren't you nearing the daily post limit that your poor brain can cope with?

You have to label anyone that doesn't agree with you as a "conservative" or some other -ism.

:D Considering the entire point of this thread is to paint liberals/millenials in a negative light, your bias is quite transparent. Why aren't you making the case that not all so-called "SJWs" are liberals?

And who says I'm in a rage? Maybe your comprehension starts taking a dive the closer to your daily limit you get ;)
 
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