Will the Left survive the Millenials?

NarrowBandFtw said:
There is nothing extraordinary about pointing out that you can see it for yourself if you merely open your eyes.
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Sure. I'll just open my eyes, and magically be convinced that YOU ARE RIGHT!

OMG. I was blind. Now I see. THANK YOU THANK YOU NARROWBAND. I CAN SEE!!!!



Or maybe you don't understand the burden of proof? In which case... might I suggest you re-enroll in high school for a few years.
 
scudsucker said:
Any proof that this is a good indication of liberal thought?

And not just you doing some cherry-picking?
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The question was to give evidence on how "left wing liberalism" is evolving into something resembling fascism.

The first picture shows how they are so sensitive of their feelings (modern liberal ideas) that they would seek to distort the truth.

The second picture shows that they are not only actively segregating people based on their skin colour (everything liberalism is not), they are doing it to make sure they only hear voices that won't conflict with their world view. Again, so they don't have their feelings hurt.
 
scudsucker said:
Sure. I'll just open my eyes, and magically be convinced that YOU ARE RIGHT!
OMG. I was blind. Now I see. THANK YOU THANK YOU NARROWBAND. I CAN SEE!!!!
Or maybe you don't understand the burden of proof? In which case... might I suggest you re-enroll in high school for a few years.
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You put forth a primary school argument and suggest high school to me, is that a capitulation admitting I'm already above your level? ;)

Alright then, I graciously accept your surrender ...
 
konfab said:
The question was to give evidence on how "left wing liberalism" is evolving into something resembling fascism.

The first picture shows how they are so sensitive of their feelings (modern liberal ideas) that they would seek to distort the truth.

The second picture shows that they are not only actively segregating people based on their skin colour (everything liberalism is not), they are doing it to make sure they only hear voices that won't conflict with their world view. Again, so they don't have their feelings hurt.
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You are not proving your case, you are justifying cherry picking examples of what you think are "liberals"
 
konfab said:
Can you give an example of what you consider liberals then.
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I need to give no examples; I am not making wild claims like you.

Please prove that the screen shots that you posted represent "liberals", and not just a set of people to whom you would like to apply the label in order to justify (and curry for support for) your opinion.

It's simple stuff, konfab. Either you understand what you are criticising and can therefore be taken seriously...


... or you don't.
 
scudsucker said:
Care to back that up with some proof?
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NarrowBandFtw said:
Modern day liberalism is doing its level best to become outright fascism, the labels have changed since Orwell's time that's all.
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NarrowBandFtw said:
:confused: why do people insist on proof of something that is clear as day?

Liberalism pretends to be all about equality, yet they've entirely abandoned any notion of freedom in the name of forcing equality upon everyone all the while fostering ever increasing levels of corporatism, militarism and indeed cronyism.

Fascism was the same thing: public private partnerships that mutate into a select few controlling the many through corporatism, militarism and cronyism. Theoretically it was more authoritarian than modern day liberalism, but the gap must be closing when it is already completely taboo to refer to someone's skin colour or gender in any way shape or form that distinguishes them from any other person.
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NarrowBandFtw said:
There is nothing extraordinary about pointing out that you can see it for yourself if you merely open your eyes.
Nowhere did I say "because I say so", I said "because it is so obvious even a blind man can see it".

You may think it sounds like a wild claim to say modern liberalism = fascism, to me it's akin to saying that the sky is blue. Something everybody can easily see for themselves everyday and without taking the time to verify it on a daily basis they still know it to be true.

EDIT: a lengthy read that more articulately makes the point https://mises.org/library/liberalism-vs-fascism
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I had absolutely no problem in understanding what @ Narrowband was driving at and his explanations of his viewpoint in the later posts together with his reference is enough "proof" for me.

He made statement, you asked for proof (which in my opinion, was obvious anyway), he explained his viewpoint and gave a reference.

So why keep on about it?
 
Statement of opinion is not proof.

NarrowBandFtw has not managed to show the Fees Must Fall people are "liberal" let alone define "liberal". Even further away is proof of his ludicrous contention that liberalism == fascism.

But I wait in hope for a coherent arguement on just one of the above points.
 
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"Liberal" in America has for >40 years meant something very different to "liberal" in the classical and Continental traditions.

I regard myself as a Liberal in the classical sense (minimal government, individual property rights, strong free market, al la LvM), but many of my left-of-loopy-left Democrat relatives in the US (radical socialists) would call me a rightwing Nazi because I'm anti-statist. ;)

Like "capitalism" with a 1000 different meanings (good in my books, bad to evil in others), one has to define terms if we are to have a conversation...
 
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scudsucker said:
Statement of opinion is not proof.
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Okay then I am asking you to "Prove" what Liberalism means and then to finish off your argument, "prove" what Fascism means so that we all can see what you think the differences are. And be careful, (to use your words) you cannot use a "statement of opinion" to "prove" your definitions.
 
It is not for me to put words into NarrowBandFtw's mouth.

I'm waiting for his factual proof and/or justification.

It seems I'll probably wait all weekend.
 
scudsucker said:
It is not for me to put words into NarrowBandFtw's mouth.

I'm waiting for his factual proof and/or justification.

It seems I'll probably wait all weekend.
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And we are waiting for you to "prove" why a "statement of opinion" requires any "proof".
 
scudsucker said:
Fair enough. But sweeping statements denigrating large swathes of the population without justification or reason do.
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No they don't. We are not dealing with a mathematical equation or a historical fact but with statements or opinions. This entire board is manically obsessed with proof for every statement.
 
FrankieK said:
This entire board is manically obsessed with proof for every statement.
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Yeah or we'd all fall into the conservatard way of thinking that facts matter less than feelings/opinion on a subject

[video=youtube;xnhJWusyj4I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhJWusyj4I[/video]
 
Because without having to prove a point, anyone can claim anything at all. Do you really want this forum to become an echo chamber of idiots agreeing with each other without any critical thought?

Proof of claims made is how to prevent that situation.
 
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